Peter Vandever Responds: F*ck Off!

peter-vandever-thief16Peter Vandever has responded to Filipino critics with a YouTube video and single finger salute. He has also responded to my expose of his plagiarism and attempted cover-ups with an open letter and threats of physical violence. Here they all are with my commentary.

Peter Vandever’s relationship with Filipino Photographers has been testy, to say the least. First he steals from them and tries to sell their work claiming that it is his . . . then he offends them as quick as possible to change he subject and take the heat off his thievery. They buy into it of course!

Peter’s style is to shoot straight, calling a spade a spade and essentially trashes any cultural sensitivities with his opinions, summarised as “Get with it guys, you’re all losers . . . the USA helped you . . . you wouldn’t be where you are if it wasn’t for us . . . grow up”.

Peter always has a point but his method and style of delivery shows a lack of understanding of social issues, typical of those built, how do I say it nicely, ‘a little different up top’!

In an unusual move, Peter has posted a video online that basically says to his detractors, “Up you!”

Published on 31 Mar 2015, Peter says in his description,

“Peter Vandever has a direct message to the trolls at Nikon Philippines. Enjoy.”

In his video after a preamble he gets to the point and says it clearly:

“These people that wanna speak shit on me, hey . . . that’s what I gotta say to that, F*ck off! OK?”

In the last three or four years Peter has engaged with multiple third world countries and the pattern has been the same. While Peter will boast that he’s lived in many different places and disagree with me here, it’s actually a form of culture shock, outworking in aggression and of course totally lacking empathy, cultural sensitivity and other human relationship niceties. Peter will post his opinions online, cause a rukus, get booted out of groups or lambasted for his words, then he will run, claiming that the place, people or culture are [mean/stupid/or whatever] and then feel and claim that he is victimised.

I view some of this as bravado, and deliberately controversial. Mostly though it is just Peter being Peter unable to deal with things that others take in their stride. People can see the real man coming out, now that he is under pressure.

In some ways the video is sad, for it shows us Peter’s true state of mind – and many will react negatively to the stupidity that he shares.

And the key issue . . . that he stole their work . . . claimed it was his and was selling it?

Forgotten, when arguing about cultural stuff!

A ‘Hidden’ Open Letter

Peter Vandever's 'hidden' Open Letter

Peter Vandever’s ‘hidden’ Open Letter

Peter has also responded to my blogging exposing him as a plagiarist, of course by ignoring the core subject and dealing with personal matters!

He recently slipped me a link to this Open Letter. Again Peter is deceptive because it is not an “Open” Letter in the slightest. It is not indexed in the SERPs and thus he attempts to present himself as being open and honest when in fact he is not.

While the post is visible online, it has not been included in his regular posts and is hidden from view, until now of course when the link from my website will bring it in to the SERPs, and within an hour at that!

Here’s the text from Peter and my response to him:

Open Letter to Dennis Smith (SWAP Samoa)

To a degree, you are right. I don’t really care too much about how I offend someone anymore and I could less about all the “cultural insensitivity.” I have never been much of a culture guy.  No big surprise there whatsoever. Now is it?

Peter, you are using a “bait & switch” technique here distracting and twisting. The entire thrust of multiple blogs for over three years is that there is another side to Peter Vandever – a hidden side that people need to be aware of, particularly people considering financial support of a so-called Christian Missionary, and people in the commercial photography business whom he has no compunction stealing from. I have well proven that you, Peter, are a liar and an unrepentant photography thief – all done for attempted personal financial gain.

You are missing what major question that you don’t want to ask: WHY do I not give a rat’s ass about people’s thoughts of them any more? The reason is people like you.

I suspect that you never have Peter and that your life has been one continuous fight against others – your parents, teachers, pastors and anyone who dares to challenge your own perception of yourself. Your reality is of your own making, as clearly evidenced in this ‘Open Letter’ response.

I do not believe our meeting in the Fall 2011 was about befriending me at all. It was about seeing what you could get from me for your little bullshit group in Samoa

I offered you food and accommodation, period. You chose to ignore this and seek cash from people around the globe telling them that you were desperate. That fraud was the reason I twigged as to who you were (after our meeting) and the reason that I wrote the first post.

or try and dig into my personal life because you had some odd passion to “come after me.” Either way, you was wrong.

My desire is to highlight the truth. I will “come after” you as long as you lie and steal ESPECIALLY when you simultaneously claim to be a Christian or a Christian Missionary, and ESPECIALLY when you seek financial support from others for your supposed “missionary work”.

The bottom line if you are a follower of Christ, (you say you are) you know that We are led by love for fellow believers. I am not the first guy you set out to destroy. In fact, I met you through another you wanted to destroy if I remember right. If you are my brother in Christ, your love walk sucks, bro.

The last person I respect to talk about the reason I say think or do things is a liar, a con artist and a thief seeking financial support from fellow believers by pretending to be a Christian Missionary

For the record, it is my love of the Truth that is the root cause of investing hours into ‘outing’ people like you who use the name of Christ, who claim to be “brothers in Christ” yet use others for personal gain.

You can publish what you want about me. I dont really care. It doesn’t change me one bit. I am honored that you would give so much time to coming after a small blogger.

Unfortunately I believe you!

I am not sure what exactly you want from me. It is not clear with all your rabbit trails claiming this or that. If if it is in your to give the poor and people in inferior cultures “some slack,” you can forget it. When they step into 2015 and live like it, I will relax my views.

You have your battles with others over culture. I agree with a lot of what you write about cultural matters but I do not approve of stealing and lying, which is what I have shown all that you do, actively, consistently and unrepentantly.

Empathy is not a requirement for citizenship.  I know if I started showing a little compassion in your eyes, all these other issues would be become non-issues.

No Peter – the other issues that you so casually write-off are core characteristics of evil. Deception is of the devil. Stealing of anything (time, money, opportunity AND photography) is greed and of the devil. Attempting to hide your immoral (and illegal) conduct is a sign of guilt, foolishness and arrogance.

You could be the nicest guy on the planet but far from being non-issues, I would continue to consider your conduct to be nothing less than outright evil.

From my point of view and taking every discussion we have had over the last 4-5 years, your motive was to “humble” me then…. it didnt work and it wont work.

Yes, I know this VERY well!

THAT Peter, is the very reason that I’ve invested so much time into exposing your conduct, providing the proof and getting it all out into the open – because I know that you are so stubborn, arrogant and unrepentant. I do not blog for you . . . I blog for the rest of the world to learn about you, to get to know the real you, so that they can interact with you as fully informed as possible.

You are not God, Jesus or even his Apostle…. just a dude with a blog and a search bar in Samoa, one of the most backward and fucked up country on the plant.

Peter

That’s right Peter – just a dude with a blog living in the backblocks of rural Samoa!

P.S. However you are trying to use this to “convince” me to change something is failing big time.

Yup – if I was trying to change you!

Except for the fact that I, not like you are not a business, I’d be ‘out of business’ overnight if you were to change eh?

How about you keep doing your thing and I’ll continue to do mine . . . my audience speaks to me and thanks me for having the balls to take you on, and for telling the world the truth about you.

As you well know, just search for PETER VANDEVER and see what happens in the SERPs. It is anything but a failure!

Threats of Physical Violence

I’ve been informed that Peter has been expelled from the Expats Living in the Philippines Facebook Group for threatening physical violence against me.

This is total nonsense – first, Peter has no intention of returning to Samoa. He has soiled his nest here quite badly and simply can’t stand the place.

Secondly Peter is all talk. His bravado exceeds his capacity to act in the face of truth by a factor of many times, hence the reason he moves around so much.

I will update this post with screenshots of this interchange when/if they arrive via the Tipline.

Commentary

Just as ‘Peter on Peter’ doesn’t reveal much truth, neither does ‘Peter on Dennis’. Apart from responding in kind, I listen but ignore what Peter thinks about me.

My take is that Peter does not, because he CAN not deal with the fundamental issues of integrity that I have blogged about. You can’t lie, steal, hide the truth when caught and simultaneously claim to be a Christian Missionary unless you are a fraud and/or have psychiatric issues, in Peter’s case probably both.

Peter’s “up you!” video demonstrates a callous disregard for others; an inability to just agree to disagree with others and an inability to think strategically. Putting a single finger salute into a YouTube video telling people to “F Off” is hardly wise when he knows that his detractors are informing a blogger who has a clear interest in revealing the other side of Peter Vandever. I struggle to see how anyone can really justify supporting such missionary conduct and is so stupid to actually DO it, even if it did cross his mind to let those little suckers ‘have it’!

Peter’s ‘hidden’ Open Letter also demonstrates the total personalisation of an issue; an inability to deal with reality; a less than coherent response to serious issues and his employment of diversionary techniques, common to people with pyschiatric issues or in serious denial.

My initial post showing that there is another side to the face of Peter Vandever and has been extraordinarily successful at magnetising, supporting and consolidating the resentment that Peter has generated out there with his various crimes and conduct. From that there has been a downwards slide into revealing outright criminal activity.

Peter’s resort to threatening physical violence indicates the level to which he has fallen.

Sadly, the fall it is likely to continue . . . more people are likely to get hurt and that includes the whirlwind of confusion and craziness himself.

Others have wisely steered away from him.

Yet others consider him a distraction and a non-event. ignoring him after their first encounter.

I have taken it upon myself to speak, fearfully and publicly.

I will continue to do this as or if the need arises. In this regard, feel free to share your experiences via my Tipline.

Peter, I’m not going to tell you to go away, especially not in your style, for your detractors are coming to me day after day – but my advice is to grow up and get a life, or get help!

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Comments

  1. Thanks for SEO linkage and it is not hidden…. It is a page, not a post as it does not go into my view of what I normally am posting about. Last I checked, I can build my sitemap as I felt is best 🙂

    God bless you, bro.

    • Yes it WAS hidden (as I show with the screen-shot) because you had no links to it, but with my posting and linking, it is now not. Yes, you have every right to build your sitemap as you so wish, but when you hide an Open Letter away from your site map, when it is not in Google for a week (I waited deliberately to prove the point) and call it an “Open Letter” then this is deception from you, yet again. More importantly though, you miss and constantly fail to address the key point of my blogging, Peter – that you are an unrepentant serial thief and a liar masquerading as a Christian Missionary. With that in mind, you are welcome to as many SEO links as you like. What you fail to realise however is that 99% of your visitors are not your customers, and feeding your ego with hundreds of people visiting you to mock you, and realise the truth about you is foolishness in the extreme – to most people anyway. Using the phrase “God bless you bro” fools none of my readers, Peter. It simply shows them how much out of touch with reality you are pretending to love others who call you to account. No person on the planet would turn to your God as a result of your conduct Peter . . . Let’s just remind ourselves what this blogging has shown – that you are an unrepentant mass plagiarist – you attempt to cover it up, knowingly treat others with gay abandon and then tell people to get over it and get on with life without an inch of remorse. You are a liar and a thief, with a serious lack of understanding of basic social interaction skills. Your conduct is unbecoming of any Christian Missionary.

  2. Paul Hamilton says:

    Mr Vandever has just invaded our “You know you’re a missionary kid if” site. He has been creating havoc with his postings and ideas for the last two weeks. I have openly opposed his writings along with several of the others on the group and finally rebuked him openly. When he responded flippantly and basically told me that I was off the wall when I said that I was speaking from the Lord, I did some google searching and was very thankful to come upon your blog, which I could refer to the administrators of the the group to back up what I had to say about him myself. I am deeply grateful for your blog, I am sure that it will help the administrators make a decision on how to deal with him.

    • That’s a constructive step and well done for researching the man. Let me know the events and I will update my posts on Peter’s latest escapades. Peter’s arrogance mixed with his psychiatric issues makes for ongoing trouble in all of his human relationships. Exposure is healthy and an important part of why I have taken the risk to write and take the stance I have. Peter Vandever has no hesitation to misrepresent himself. The truth however will always OUT when good people speak. Thank you for contacting me. Keep me posted and feel free to update events here as you so wish.

  3. Paul Hamilton says:

    I am thankful that Mr. Vandever has had his membership on our site revoked. I was not alone in voicing concerns to the administrators. The interesting thing is that many people do not exercise discernment when interacting with individuals. Certain individuals put you on the same level as the person you are trying to correct/oppose. Ah well. He started a number of posts. The post that I was mainly involved in was “Waiting on God is not biblical”. What!!! “If you want to be a missionary, just pick a country and go”! I’m sorry. That sounds like the opposite of wisdom. Anyway, my experience with this individual bears out what your blogs states. He is a seriously oppressed individual that mixes truth with lies, and has probably deceived himself to a point to where he no longer knows the difference. I hope that my interaction with him is over.

    • Thanks for the update. Peter is deceived and deluded. There is a mixture of reasons for this – pride and psychiatric, the balance of which God only knows. Best left like that methinks. Glad that the administrators saw reason. It is a repeating pattern which sadly Peter cannot accept and learn from. In regards to the subject of “simply choosing a country and going” I am with you. I would note also that the clarity with which we can hear God’s voice in a specific call determines the level of commitment that we have, and thus the effectiveness of our ministry when we go. This is important when adversity strikes. Peter’s conduct proves the point that when the going gets tough he moves on, thus proving that his call is primarily motivated by and for self. I’ve previously noted this with him. Moving on is not a direct indicator of living in the flesh but when combined with other conduct such as shown in your group discussion it does indicate the true nature of his ‘missionary work’. Thanks for posting this and keeping the world informed. This blog is well-used by those wanting to understand the other side of Peter Vandever. He is very likely to continue winding others up with his words and conduct!

    • Interesting you proclaim your right to freedom of expression , but think you can deny it to others .

  4. Dennis, funny you should mention culture shock. One of Peter’s frequents complaints about being in the Philippines is “lack of hospitality.” But that hospitality seems to mean preferential treatment, like being the first served by waitresses even if there are loads of other customers who came before him, or being given the discount when he asks. Lots of people in the groups I’m in get mad when he complains like that. And another of his memorable statements, since you mentioned it, was, in effect, “empathy is a stupid thing.” But I guess that only emphasizes further that he needs help.

    • > another of his memorable statements, since you mentioned it, was, in effect, “empathy is a stupid thing.”

      People like Peter Vandever do not understand empathy and other softer, subtler aspects of life. They lack this the same way as a blind person lacks comprehension of colour. When you have someone like Peter who wears his heart on his sleeve, this becomes confrontational in a second and winds others up quite quickly and often badly.

      The way to handle this is to acknowledge that he actually believes what he says (because he undoubtedly does) and avoid confrontation. If we understand psychiatric issues it helps him to identify his uniqueness to associate it with his ‘issues’ whatever they are. I can only do this in a general sense because I am not a shrink, but if at any point in the future he does listen to professionals in this space then he can (and will likely) go back to these examples. Speaking the truth is a double-edged sword – like surgery on a cancer it can hurt, but it can also heal given the right circumstances.

      > But I guess that only emphasizes further that he needs help.

      He already has had help. He needs humility – a far bigger challenge!

      • Another thing that he often used to anger people was his opinion that OFWs (Overseas Filipinos Workers) are deplorable simply for being so. He claims OFWs are greedy slobs who leave their families just for money – never mind that the families need this money to support their needs. And that OFW remittances are a significant contributor to keeping the Philippine economy afloat. And that there is a scarcity of well-paying jobs at home. So he slams expatriates while he himself is an expatriate. But I guess this is another thing that points to his need for humility aside from his need for help.

        • > So he slams expatriates while he himself is an expatriate. But I guess this is another thing that points to his need for humility aside from his need for help.

          Yes, indeed!

          When people don’t understand others (and this can be both ways BTW, Peter AND his detractors) they tend to label others and be dogmatic. The issue you refer to (OFW) is definitely not black and white. Peter makes it so because his mind is made up (it literally HAS TO BE) so that he can cope with the complexities of life. Truth, true logic – which accepts different circumstances, values and human objectives – comes secondary to defense of his position which he can only see as the ‘right’ one. This mental inflexibility is a symptom of his ‘condition’ whatever it may be. He’s not a fool, and quite often has a good point but he can’t get his thoughts into the context that others live by. The irony of himself being an OFW [although that might be stretching it a bit] is funny; hypocrisy to some, no doubt!

          As you have refered to humility, when you mix in arrogance with this desperate defense of a dogmatic position from an inflexible mind, with a dollop of a care-free attitude towards the feelings of others you have a recipe for a human interaction disaster – in this case one called Peter Vandever! It’s not very pretty but I spend so much time writing about him so that others can avoid doing the same things as he does – holding dogmatic positions on him; labeling and doing to him the very thing they complain about him doing to them. Truthseekers must accept BOTH sides of a given coin. Yes, he IS a thief and a liar claiming to be a Christian Missionary and should be ‘outed’ for that but the WHY of it all isn’t really understood by those who come into conflict with him. I hope that my blogging brings balance and understanding, apart from the core revelations of his crimes.

          Thanks again for contributing here.

          • One last thing. I suspect he’s one of those hired trolls or shills meant to cause trouble online for opponents. Start flame-wars and all that. I’ve seen online accounts that throw around similar opinions and behavior similarly, and a few of those were confirmed to be troll accounts. Not a conclusive opinion on it, but it’s a possibility for me, given how pressure groups have realized the power of the Internet and social media, and are trying to use it to their advantage. Anyway, cheers, here’s to life after Peter. hehe

          • > I suspect he’s one of those hired trolls or shills meant to cause trouble online for opponents

            I don’t. While you can’t prove a negative without absolute knowledge (and I don’t have this with Peter) I have seen nothing to support this suspicion, although it is a technical possibility.

            > here’s to life after Peter

            For you, yes. Not for me though. The journey is probably only just beginning, for human pride is persistent and it is very likely that the name of Peter Vandever will continue to be associated with dishonesty and widespread social trauma. As long as I’m around and blogging though, I’ll be there!

            Cheers, indeed!

          • Ah, then let’s both be there then when he’s still making trouble around these parts. Cheers!

  5. Hello Dennis,

    I would like to thank you for your postings on Peter Vandever. I stumbled on his Philippines videos on YouTube and find his information extremely misleading, derogatory, hateful, and contradictory. He claims to be a child of GOD and a religious man, but he swears like a sailor, berates expats in the Philippines, belittles the Filipino people and their culture. He also claims to have been born and raised in the Philippines (Clarks). This was from a post on (note, his website in now down):

    Understand Filipinos culture – The Gypsy Backpacker
    petervandever.com/the-crazy-culture-of-filipinos

    Wayne Forte:
    U dont look Pinoy but u seem to know what ur talking about n say it like it is. I like that!
    May 16, 2015

    Peter Vandever:
    Born at Clark, raised in Makati. I don’t bs around.
    May 17, 2015

    But my research shows, his residence is in Saint Joseph, Missouri. I am in the process gathering full details on Peter Vandever, because he is misrepresenting and providing false information to people. That is creating false hate, drama, and allegations against people without warrant. He will be exposed. And not to destroy, but to hopefully help Peter Vandever find his way in life. He is truly lost. Will keep you posted.

  6. Jule Ray Westcott says:

    I have worked in the Alaska VA for a few yrs, in the mental health and substance abuse field. I believe Peter has a personality disorder and some paranoia disorder. Also possibly a prior substance abuse issues. He has threaten me to file a libel case on me. I took it personal when he said OFWs domestic workers are live in whores. My wife was an OFW for 24 yrs as a domestic worker and also she was a POW during desert storm and beaten by her Kuwaiti employer along with 7 other filipinas.

    • Hi Jule
      Thanks for commenting here.
      > I believe Peter has a personality disorder and some paranoia disorder. Also possibly a prior substance abuse issues.
      I can believe this but would like to know on what you base these beliefs. Opinion is one thing. Proof is another.
      > He has threaten me to file a libel case on me.
      Peter is VERY unlikely to do this – he has no capital from which to launch litigation and not the mental fortitude to conduct anything like this – and he normally shies away from legal things. I recommend that you simply continue to speak the truth and share your opinion freely. Truth will always out.

  7. Have been following Peter for many years (as an observer) and thought you might be interested in this http://latterrains.com/

    Last post was September 3rd and he has a support page for money. He is 1) not a Christian by any standard I would hold and 2) a con man.

    I have called him out before, have spoken with him on the phone and he is delusional at best

    • Hi Jim and thanks for the link

      Notice also that he hot-links to others’ copyrighted photos, which shows that he is still an unrepentatnt plagiarist although hot-linking to steal images is not the same as what I showed him doing before – outright image theft for attempted commercial gain. On his latest post for example you can see his use of https://simergphotos.com/2012/09/09/jerusalem-a-photo-essay-of-the-holy-city/ a photo taken by Muslim & Nevin Harji (https://simergphotos.com/2012/09/09/jerusalem-a-photo-essay-of-the-holy-city/). A good read BTW.

      This cognitive dissonance shows his cynical grasp of reality and indicates his psychiatric condition – lack of comprehending human relationship issues. He doesn’t understand these things, and when you talk to him in a quiet moment he admits to this. It’s like a butcher killing things all day then going home to wife and kids and stroking the cat – a hard thing for many. For people like Peter, emotional norms are foreign concepts. He simply doesn’t understand them and lives in his own world.

      The reason I blog about Peter is that the deceptions he weaves have the potential to fool gullible supporters into supporting him financially and bringing the Christian faith into disrepute. Fortunately his fraudulent fund-raising has reduced substantially in the time since I went public and a search for his name brings much more balance to his digital footprint than previously. You are correct that his behaviour is not within the bounds of Christian norms and that he is a conman.

      Be careful not to write him off entirely though because the line between heaven and hell is blurred somewhat for those with psychiatric conditions. I just thank God that it is not me who has to hold him to account and judge at the final muster. I think he will have serious issues at the pearly gates but I think that exposing him and speaking the truth today in the here and now is important.

      Thanks for contributing here.

  8. Dude you have some serious mental health issues with your abnormal obsession with this guy .

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