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  1. Wow I am not surprised at their attitude after reading through the entire email transcript. I read a large amount of things on their website as well and was dumbfounded. To claim to be Christians and walking in the Lord and to be so negative, judgmental and outright insulting to simply due to a difference of opinion shows what type of people you were dealing with. It is a clear sign of someone’s intelligence when they are asked questions on how they formed an opinion and the response is to defame and insult the person asking. Their website is so biased and clearly our way is right and everyone else is a non-believer or unchristian. The path of Truth isn’t what I’d call that website. Thank you calling them on the carpet and showing they have nothing to based claims on.

    • > Wow I am not surprised at their attitude after reading through the entire email transcript.
      Hi VE. Be careful not to fall into the same errors as others do and lumping them all together. “THEIR” attitude consists of one man Victor Hafichuk who as I read it claims an exclusive lien on the truth; followed by another Paul Cohen who has an intimate relationship with Victor and then other hangers on who variously consider Victor (and sometimes Paul) to be prophets and therefore without error. These are all individuals although they have a common belief structure.
      > I read a large amount of things on their website as well and was dumbfounded.
      I do not profess to be strong in the theology department. Victor, and to quite some degree Paul do. So I’ll pass on the analysis here!
      > To claim to be Christians and walking in the Lord and to be so negative, judgmental and outright insulting to simply due to a difference of opinion shows what type of people you were dealing with.
      I agree – yes it does reveal and I believe that this is my God-given role – to ask questions and then reveal (your word “show”). Negativity has its place for if someone errs, one who cares will create a stir of which can be seen as negativity. As Path of Truth rightly point out Jesus too was quilty of harsh words at times. The extent of judgmentalism is indeed at the upper levels of human endeavour isn’t it? This is THE issue I have called them on. I’m really not interested in the insults. People can think or say what they like about me. At a personal level it hurts but at a professional level you get used to it! I have found Path of Truth to be overly judgmental erring on the side of [claimed] truth and missing the love part of the Gospel. You can see the formation of this bias if you read Victor’s online biography. It’s a tome and a mixture of spiritual diary, personal diary and commentary. He’s extraordinarily open and it helps outsiders look into where the hardness has come from in the Ministry. I think the truth/love balance that Jesus brought to the world stands in stark contrast to the way that the Path of Truth Ministries and that while their adherents see humility and peace as they have a strong bias.
      On the intellect thing do not combine all together in this matter. I think that they fail in the areas of logic and love, not intellect. Paul and Victor strike me as very intelligent people. Manny and the others, not so, but even children and the Intellectually Handicapped can understand logic. Truth requires three things – the application of sound logic on fact in humility. None of these three things relate to intellect, thus a Gospel that can be accepted by all.
      > It is a clear sign of someone’s intelligence when they are asked questions on how they formed an opinion and the response is to defame and insult the person asking.
      And this is the big one isn’t it VE? For both Paul and Victor (and more recently “Manny”) have made a Christian judgment call on my walk with Jesus based on my audacity in questioning them over their refusal to consider the possibility that the Holocaust story could be just that. The point for me as a truthseeker is not so much the answer but how we get to that answer. Path of Truth Ministries believed that:
      1. The Holocaust is common knowledge
      2. The number of claimed dead doesn’t matter, six million, five million – whatever – the point is that
      3. Antisemitism is rampant – not sure that has anything to do with me but Paul raised the issue so because there is hatred that seems to justify unwillingness to engage in any research – that’s like saying we won’t investigate whether Santa is for real or not because we all know Santa exists because we see him every Christmas in the shopping malls!
      4. You don’t know Jesus because you argue with us . . . and more!
      > Their website is so biased and clearly our way is right and everyone else is a non-believer or unchristian.
      That is correct. I say many times though – they are welcome to claim that exclusive lien on the truth for they could well be correct HOWEVER if they conduct themselves like they have, condemning in a spiritual sense due to a secular belief and unwillingness to check the secular matter then there is a credibility issue isn’t there?
      > The path of Truth isn’t what I’d call that website.
      Maybe you are right. I’m sure what Path of Truth would say to this comment (and with good grounds too) is “Show us our error or STFU” and with the same degree of venom too as the acronym if you challenged them for any length of time. Now I don’t because I can’t argue theology, thus their spiritualising a matter of pure LOGIC shows them up for their judgmental ways. That’s how I see it anyway.
      > Thank you calling them on the carpet and showing they have nothing to based claims on.
      Thank you for the thanks VE. I appreciate you bothering to comment here.

      • Hello…..I was happy to see by the ” Dennis ” message the part about the word ” red.” I keep reading it upon checking his website, and had made up my mind that it was a computer typo, or something UNTIL I read a part in the lady named Sara’s testimony. Lo and behold, there she uses the same ridiculous word choice and I realized that this was a purposeful misnomer, probably at the behest of this guy Victor ?

        The second thing that clued me into the deep error in this group came while reading Victor’s article about
        The Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Near the end of the article he says that ” truly repentant ” believers must confess their literal sins to truly appointed men of God. He than states that he only knows of TWO such persons…..who qualify…….Victor and Paul ! All I can say to that is , ” wow.”

        • > Hello…..
          Hello Jim and thank you for bothering to post online here. Hopefully the world will be a slightly better place as a result of your contribution!

          > I was happy to see by the ” Dennis ” message the part about the word ” red.” I keep reading it upon checking his website, and had made up my mind that it was a computer typo, or something UNTIL I read a part in the lady named Sara’s testimony.
          I think that Sarah is a Path of Truth follower which may explain the practice there.

          > Lo and behold, there she uses the same ridiculous word choice and I realized that this was a purposeful misnomer, probably at the behest of this guy Victor ?
          I note three points that you raise here:
          1. Your analysis that the use of “red” is ridiculous.
          2. The deliberate intent of the user.
          3. Victor’s possible instruction to do so, in which you ask the question.

          In reply I would comment:
          1. I’d prefer to use the less condemnatory/inflamatory words, ‘confusing’ or ‘unnecessary’.
          2. Yes it is always deliberate.
          3. I do not believe that this is done at Victor’s behest BUT it clearly reveals the way that Path of Truth Ministries is run. More on this shortly.

          Personally I like the humour in the use of “red” for the past tense of “read”. Victor (the initiator of the practice) is dead right [or should I rite, “ded rite”?] that this is a quirk of the English language and does not make logical sense. English is not his primary language and so he has picked up on this idiosyncrasy and made a point out of it. Good on him, I say . . . except that there are negative consequences:
          a) It confuses a natural English speaker. As I blogged about this before, it is an error in grammar which causes minor stress to those of not ESL. This is even more confusing because Path of Truth put huge effort into the professionalisn of their written and online materials. I cannot recall even one single gramatical error in their huge resource going back many years – and all credit to their highly professional writers/web-mistress/sub-editors or whoever too. Thus their “red” conduct stands out hugely!
          b) A long-term personal grudge against the English language has been allowed to interfere in the professional presentation of the Gospel. We all do this with cultural and other biases at some point or another but Victor and his team resists correction from those outside of their ministry, thus they can never correct the matter without losing face. I doubt they ever will now.
          c) If it was only Victor doing this, it wouldn’t be an issue. Just the same as we’d look at a hypothetical prophet with a speech impediment or one eye and not be too worried about it. However if all adherents to the prophet started speaking funnily or wearing eye patches THEN we should be asking questions, which is what I have done with Path of Truth Ministries conduct.

          > The second thing that clued me into the deep error in this group came while reading Victor’s article about The Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
          Good on you for doing the research! Many write PoT off and fail to read their materials.

          > Near the end of the article he says that ” truly repentant ” believers must confess their literal sins to truly appointed men of God.
          This is similar to the Catholic stance BTW. I don’t claim to be an authority on theology.

          > He than states that he only knows of TWO such persons…..who qualify…….Victor and Paul ! All I can say to that is , ” wow.”
          Yes this is a direct claim of exclusivity in the Truth department, isn’t it?

          In my more than fifty years of experience seeking truth, a guide that I’ve found essential and logically valid is that anyone who claims an exclusive lien on the truth MUST be perfect in all regards. I have only ever found this perfection in Jesus Christ, certainly not Paul, Victor or indeed myself!

          The way I see it is that Victor speaks of himself being “perfected in Christ” and he gives biblical basis for this. Granted, but then what happens is that his confidence before God being in Christ exudes to others around him who view (and more critically and importantly are ALLOWED to view him AS perfect).

          This is the root cause of the excessive judgementalism that I (and many others) have called them to account for. You can see this in their conduct and from their other communications. Victor Hafichuk is probably a really nice guy, but if he believes in the Holocaust as presented to us ad infinitum he’s been badly fooled thus lacks perfection. He freely acknowledges his human imperfection in his biography BTW. That he can’t be bothered to question the mostly secular matter of the Holocaust and relies on “common knowledge” and a highly ‘biased’ message yet makes a claim to know the truth [and the Truth] then he’s a fool – as I’ve blogged about.

          Notice also that neither Paul Cohen nor “Manny” have or can deal with this matter logically or constructively because of their belief that Victor cannot err because He knows the Truth. It’s a hornet’s nest of intrigue that can only be resolved by Victor Hafichuk humbling himself and saying something like, “Oops! I think we may have to backtrack a little here team!”

          Going back to the first subject of your comments Jim (the matter of using “red” for “read”), as a leader too in my family/community, and as one who has an excellent capacity to lead others, I know very well the challenges Victor faces. Like John the Baptist did, we have to deliberately and consciously empower others and push the glory away from ourselves. His mistakes though are not just that he’s been fooled, or indeed that he may even BE a fool; it is that he has put himself outside of zones of correction and then allowed others to view him greater than he actually is.

          I believe that he should have stopped the ‘red for read’ practices the instant Paul started copying him. I believe that he should have engaged brain and research skills when challenged over the missing credible evidence for the six million figure and sought to base judgement on me on reality beyond that which he had at his fingertips.

          Finally, the emotion contained in your last word “wow” is understandable. Be careful though not to judge too harshly as Path of Truth does. I suspect that you will be spending eternity with the PoT team. Even though Paul and Victor ‘curse and cut-off’ easily, I counsel others to keep the doors open even if we have to agree to disagree and in the face of their caustic venom!

          Thanks again for commenting here Jim!

      • It’s worth reading their statement of doctrine as well. They don’t believe in water baptism.
        I read their comments about a man of God. Judgement was based on a(biased) video and their misunderstanding caused by the type of English that man of God used.
        I sensed something wrong. So I checked their statement of faith (they call it doctrine)
        I think path of truth must be exposed.

        • > It’s worth reading their statement of doctrine as well. They don’t believe in water baptism.
          Sure but I do not debate theology and they do. They also don’t believe in many things the bulk of mainstream Christianity does either. Relying on the majority for validation of a concept is a logical failure AS IS assuming that a minority view is false – As Victor says – Jesus was a minority!
          > I read their comments about a man of God. Judgement was based on a(biased) video and their misunderstanding caused by the type of English that man of God used.
          Yes this is a common trait, particularly from Paul Cohen. PoT assumes things from one source into others. According to PoT that one believes one thing in error entitles them to write others off. You can avoid dealing with your own in-house dirt when you focus on others’, and you can avoid accountability by cursing and casting others off too!
          > I sensed something wrong. So I checked their statement of faith (they call it doctrine)
          That’s great except that doctrine is not the key to relationship with God. Otherwise children and imbeciles could not gain His acceptance.
          > I think path of truth must be exposed.
          So do I but I think our reasons ((and conclusions) differ, Darin!
          Thanks for responding nonetheless . . .

    • you are right; they judge you or insults you when you don,t agree with them; i don,t recommend this sight to anyone.

      • > you are right; they judge you or insults you when you don,t agree with them;
        Thanks Bertin.

        > i don,t recommend this sight to anyone.
        I wish to discuss this a little. First, a genuine truthseeker differentiates between the facts and the feelings; then we apply logic onto fact and ask probing questions. We don’t apply blanket rules especially when dealing with people. Contrary to what Victor (and Paul) teaches, it is perfectly possible to share aspects of the truth at times, yet still fail in some other areas. PoT theology is debatable as is the Pope’s or Martin Luther’s. What is beyond debate though is their excessive judgmentalism (which is a failure to love) and their failure in logic, which is the essence of my analysis. To write-off an entire website and people whom God has clearly used somewhere, somehow, sometime on the basis of a personal grudge or a sign of failure is to deny the power of the Holy Spirit, and makes a mockery of Jesus’ work and sacrifice. There are no perfect people nor any perfect church and that includes PoT and you and me. Contrary to your advice here Bertin I **DO** recommend that people digest PoT materials, as with the other offerings out there, but to have the wisdom to know that the arrogance they display comes from the top of the organisation; is amplified by their highly active and capable 2IC into rather loud ‘noise’ and that there is a difference between the message and the messenger. What we need to encourage in Christendom is a living relationship with the Truth; one that can discern reality and apply cold hard logic. Doing this is scary for it requires taking personal responsibility and rattles a few cages. Your aversion to PoT due to their failings in one area is perfectly understandable, but unwise. Do the same to other churches who maybe don’t come across so arrogant or ‘in-your-face’ and you will find similarities. Dealing with the fallen world is an on-going challenge.

        I would also note here that my reply is directed not only at you, Bertin, but to all who wander in here. Just like it’s too easy to write people like PoT off because they are obnoxious; likewise it’s too easy to ‘go with’ those who smile, wear suits and speak sweet words.

    • I sent this reply to The Path of Truth, after reading their article on Billy Joe Daugherty, who died of cancer at age 58:

      I just read your article on Mr. Daugherty.

      Might I ask what religion / denomination, sect, etc you belong to?

      I am curious because in all of my days, I can’t remember anyone ever writing such

      a mean report on a person’s death. I’m trying to recall a time when Jesus

      rejoiced over a person’s death be it sinner or saint. Jerusalem didn’t accept Jesus

      and He wept over it. I see no such compassion in your report.

      And, I am struck by how self righteous you must be to write that article.

      Are we not all earthen vessels? Are we not all flawed? For Example: 1 John 1:8:

      “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”

      How much clearer can it be. We are all flawed. We all are saved by grace.

      According to that scripture, you have sin and yet you are so judgmental of Mr. Daugherty.

      But, since you love to rejoice over death by cancer: Here’s something for you to

      rejoice about: a blind woman, mother of 5 just died of cancer in Dallas. Her name

      was Gail McWilliams. She was 60. Have a party rejoicing over her death. You

      seem to love death so much. Enjoy!

  2. they are worse then the jehovah,s witness in critisizing all churches. they think they have all the truth and they are the only ones to get saved.if you don,t agree with paul or victor they say you are a hypocrit a anti christ and all. don,t ever go on that site to get slamed. they think they are the prophets of the old testament.

    • Thank you for commenting here again Bertin. Letting people see the true nature of Haffichuk & Co is important isn’t it? Personally I respect a lot of what Victor says but not his ways. The problem with me was that, as I have shown in my blogging they are NOT perfect and thus while they do what they do believing that they are “perfected” there is an aspect of cognitive dissonance misconstruing being “perfect” instead. Thanks again.

      • Although his teachings line up with Christ on many points, I don’t think you should give him any credit even for those points. Why? Because his teaching of them focuses on obedience and not mercy. He is completely unaware of how every breath he takes (all of us rather) that it is God’s mercy that keeps us alive. Ignorance of this will catalyze the human heart into all sorts of disgusting things. This makes Jesus look very very bad to everyone else. A false teacher does much more damage than an atheist because the atheist vocally denies Jesus and the false teacher claims to follow Him. There should be no credit given to him or his following and we should very sternly rebuke he and his followers. They are literally smearing God’s name all over earth.

        If it comes from a place of hate, respect should be given to a person who teaches from Scripture, because the Pharisees did the same thing and it meant nothing for them in the end. I think if anything, Victor has been calloused from unpleasant interactions with people and rather than run to God for acceptance, stregnth and relief, he’s become enamored with the idea of fantasizing of the coming judgement over man, which is absolutely Satanic in nature to revel in and delight in. Satan is the great accuser. Jesus was the great pardoner. His personality reflects the former. We should pray for him and ask that he will see his error, but please let us not give credit where it is not due.

        One more thing – I really appreciate you post on this! After spending hours on his sight and being appalled and confused I did a write up on it on a series I plan on posting in 2018 called “Cult Killers” – a blog/podcast/youtube series designed to help young believers, unbelievers and actually anyone distinguish between true biblical faith in Christ and perverted Cultish organizations.

        • Hi Dylan and thank you enormously for posting your thoughts here.
          > I don’t think you should give him any credit even for those points.
          I find that extreme and invalid. Error does not prevent the Holy Spirit from working. Many people have come to PoT and been blessed. Even many of those deeply wounded by the typical expelling do not deny PoT the credit due for helping them. I think we should acknowledge credit where it is due. Is Victor all together up top? Maybe not. Is he 100% correct – I tend to doubt it but we shouldn’t hammer a man for what he does well or right.
          > it is God’s mercy that keeps us alive.
          I think you are wrong on this – Victor does know this and teach it. What he does do though is go way too far in his judgmentalism. I’d lean more on exposing his actions rather than his theology.
          > Cult Killers
          Feel free to post the link here when you are done

    • Hello, I must admit I had never heard of this Victor and his site before today. I was searching for Andrew Murray and found his page stating that he was a ‘false teacher’.

      I then began looking at his site ‘The Path Of Truth’ in more depth and began to get the picture that the leadership sounded very much like the Watchtower religion I was indoctrinated in for 49 years. I was raised a JW and married a JW (thankfully she is now out with me)

      The Lord Yeshua Hamashiach saved us out of darkness back in 2002. We now serve as Missionaries in Cyprus and have been here for 9 years now.

      We produce tracts and witnesses to people. I also have 2 sites, one is http://www.lifespringendtimes.org and the other one is http://www.jewishchristianroots.org

      I wonder how these people regard the verses in Matthew 7 (do not judge) and the one in Hebrews 6:14-16 (Bitter Roots that cause stumbling) This is Judgmental Cult like evil and causes hatred and death to Gods people. We are ALL sinners and are only saved by his loving Grace and not following sinful men.

      We are not a denominational people and tread carefully whom we listen too.

      Many blessings David

      • Hi David

        Thanks for bothering to communicate here.

        > I … began to get the picture that the leadership sounded very much like the Watchtower religion I was indoctrinated in for 49 years. I was raised a JW and married a JW (thankfully she is now out with me)

        I’ve blogged before about my JW friendships. They exist only for their opportunity to preach to me and convert me. This not love. It is a purpose-driven existence with relationship second, and that’s before you get into theology and sound logic! Jesus demonstrated a living relationship with a living God, and despised religions and their works totally opposed to the Gospel.

        > I wonder how these people regard the verses in Matthew 7 (do not judge) and the one in Hebrews 6:14-16 (Bitter Roots that cause stumbling)

        Yes, and I have been and will continue to call foul on PoT’s excessive judgmentalism, which is certainly true but if you understand Victor’s logic it is that as he is called to confront and to challenge; it is by Christ’s direct instruction that he claims that he can justify his stance. Bitterness and human relationship issues have plagued him for years though and his offsider Paul definitely amplifies Victor’s personal failings.

        > This is Judgmental Cult like evil and causes hatred and death to Gods people.

        I’d be cautious rejecting all that PoT say, for while they have a caustic flavour to their communications a lot of their preaching/teaching can be well elucidated, justified scripturally and they usually have good explanations. Note also my posts (later than this one) in which I assess generally more cult-like conduct from PoT detractors than from PoT!

        > We are ALL sinners and are only saved by his loving Grace and not following sinful men.

        I can identify many things about your doctrine, ministry conduct and response here that would generate foul words from PoT should they delve into your life-work. You are right, but the subtle trap for you is to think that you aren’t a sinful man and should be listened to, and that Victor and his team are and shouldn’t. That’s a trap!

        > We are not a denominational people and tread carefully whom we listen too.

        Wise – 2x. Try reading PoT core materials deliberately removing the venom and you may become more aware of what their Ministry is all about. Fringe theology in many regards but this rips apart the complacency in the mainstream denominations. In this regard I think they do a great job.

        > Many blessings David

        Thank You David.

  3. Hi Dennis; as you already may know by your tracking, Victor here.

    I’m truly thankful for many of the things you say of us. I’m not angered by any of it or even sad. I will say there’s much you say that’s inaccurate, much of it through false deduction, as well as a lack of verification of what our detractors like Shaparenko have to say (his site is riddled with falsehood and false accusation of us – perfectly evident to those who care to delve further).

    I wouldn’t mind being able to take the time to refute or explain much of what you say but we are simply not moved or given to respond at this time. There are more important matters at the moment and we are very busy ministering to those who need it.

    For now, suffice it to say we recognize ourselves as ordinary men with our faults and weaknesses as with anyone else; however, we are ministers of God and speak what we’re given to speak, with no apology. That said, no man should in any way worship us (God forbid) or respect us any more than is due in the Lord.

    I do note that a commenter of yours, Bertin Pelletier is in his usual bitter mood and not giving a true report at all of what has occurred between us. Twice, if not three times ( I can verify by full records of our correspondence) he offended and apologized. We forgave him and received him back into our communications by correspondence and meeting attendance. Then we discovered that behind our backs he was badmouthing us. We were done with him, and your correspondence here indicates we weren’t wrong in judgment of his blasphemy, not that we needed proof.

    Bertin was bitterly complaining about his wife, constantly blaming others instead of taking responsibility for himself. We called on him to look at himself as the source of his problems. He confessed to porn and masturbation; we called on him to repent of it. We doubt that he did. He continued in his foolish and stubborn ways. This is the truth of a fellow you are encouraging here.

    Lord willing, there will be more to say some day.

    • Hi Victor

      I’ve posted your comments here as your right of reply in full and am somewhat confused, certainly surprised, even pleasantly surprised that you have returned to communication with me. At this stage I will not engage meaningfully as it seems that you do not have the time or inclination thus letting matters stand as they are, is probably the most appropriate course of action. I do have both the time and inclination however except for the fact that you (pl) have already cast me off in a rather spectacular display of judgmentalism. I would prefer that entering back into any discussions with you (pl) would need to be on a good faith basis, and I struggle to see how this could be the case after your clear unequivocal condemnation of me and my Christian faith. For the record I am and always will be open to correction of fact (something you allude to here) from any source at any time. The possibility that I have any errors of fact in my writing concerns me deeply and I would encourage you for that to be a priority should you ever wish to invest in the time to respond/defend here. A lot of my analysis, commentary and opinion utilises sound logic based on my assessment of fact. Getting the facts right is important to me therefore.

      The other thing that you refer to is one of your detractors who has spoken ill of you here and your response by identifying specific sin(s) in his life in what appears to be a form of defense. I’ve published it because I believe you, that there is another side to the commenter’s story and I can believe the specifics you mention. You considered it fair game to speak about, and I too see that in this situation a rather unsavoury situation is made public. I guess if you live by the sword you must be prepared to die by it. Should there be any specific response from me to a commenter that fails the integrity test, I would appreciate a response, even if it is a short one in the interests of accuracy and completeness. In terms of theological error of anything I have quoted, (I think the site you refer to is copied in full here, which I did when that site went down for a period) I’m happy to link to any rebuttal you may have but have no interest in arguing theology here. I don’t think I endorse the words – in which case I’m happy to revisit that and clarify.

      If as you say “Lord willing, there will be more to say some day” and you wish to engage meaningfully you would need to address first your casting off and why and how you wish to retract that course of action to re-engage; then focus on the core issue that you have considered sufficiently proven to be a matter of fact, namely the six million figure of the Holocaust, and the distinct lack of credible evidence for this event that has reached critical mass of common knowledge sufficient for you (pl) to influence your opinions of a fellow believer – of course one that loves the sound of his own voice, as your colleague put it.

      Once those two issues are dealt with to my satisfaction then we can address the HOW of your Ministry which includes my assessment that (unlike most of your detractors) I consider that you do have a genuine Christian Ministry however your conduct errs somewhat and lacks balance. I can also indicate to you where this flows through to your adherents and how and why others view your ministry as a cult – there are strong signs for one open and willing to correction. Of course in the current situation where you have unilaterally condemned me and cast me off you have serious credibility issues engaging at all, let alone being in a space to take advice or correction!

  4. ” but when doing so, we must always be gracious and willing to accept that others may be in the process of working issues through.”

    up Reading to the point above, I have to comment that this is a dangerous place to be coming from. Examine yourself.

    I have heard many rebellious conversations from the self-righteous, religious types who defend themselves and others with the words you are using such as, “be careful bec a lot of people are not where you are at so be a REAL christian by being accepting “. WOW! I finally got how Satan has used that against both true believers and quasi believers. (“We are not ignorant”, right and …he that hath ears, but if he hath not ears then what?).

    The brothers you are opposing here in this instance, have spoken out (and you can read it yourself0 that unless one is called out specifically by and separated unto God through Christ, and if one has NOT BEEN BORN AGAIN, not only can we not reconcile the difference by our own understanding, but there is a fleshly spirit that is not allowed beyond the point of this boundary. So, what you are pointing out here is a moot point; from what I can see, that is!

    Ok, i’m going to keep reading now….

    • > ” but when doing so, we must always be gracious and willing to accept that others may be in the process of working issues through.” up Reading to the point above, I have to comment that this is a dangerous place to be coming from.

      Path of Truth hold to a firm belief that being perfected means no error, especially in their leader(s). This belief is what adherents say and demonstrate in the words and actions. Yes, I know Jo that Victor says otherwise in his defense but his acts and words are different. As I continually say, the harshness of Victor’s judgment is his down fall. Victor IS and has always been “working issues through” himself – simply read his biography as evidence of this. There is no rational explanation for this dichotomy; this conundrum; this axiom that PoT claims to know truth; claims to be perfected and walking in His light, yet demonstrates all the foibles of fallen man. This is hypocrisy plain and simple. The secret is to differentiate the fact that one can be perfected in Christ’s eyes, yet still be outworking our faith in fear and trembling. For adherents though this requires the wisdom to determine error in PoT teaching or conduct, something that can never be allowed, for it will burst the bubble.

      > Examine yourself.

      You too Joey. Are you open to correction, like I am? Somehow I doubt it!

      > I have heard many rebellious conversations from the self-righteous, religious types who defend themselves and others with the words you are using such as, “be careful bec a lot of people are not where you are at so be a REAL christian by being accepting “.

      No Joey I say the opposite – be loving and hold back your judgment. You see there is a state that PoT does not accept and it is that we may be in Christ and NOT pass judgment. You are on the front foot when it comes to judgment and as I have said many times – fine if you get it right but TROUBLE when you get it wrong. Contrary to you and your colleagues’ opinions, yes at times you DO get ti wrong. As I’ve said above though one NEVER sees a retraction or apology, simply dogmatic assertion that PoT is right and that accusers are wrong!

      > WOW! I finally got how Satan has used that against both true believers and quasi believers. (“We are not ignorant”, right and …he that hath ears, but if he hath not ears then what?).

      This is a logical fallacy Joey, one that sets us up to be either judges or not. This false dilemma causes you to take upon yourselves a judging role (and quite a harsh one at that) with those whom you accuse whereas there is a perfectly valid intermediary position – that judging CAN actually be left to the Lord. This doesn’t deny that judgment is inappropriate in a given situation, simply that it might not be YOU who should be judging in Christ, especially when in my case, and I suspect many others, you get it wrong.

      > The brothers you are opposing here in this instance, have spoken out (and you can read it yourself0 that unless one is called out specifically by and separated unto God through Christ, and if one has NOT BEEN BORN AGAIN, not only can we not reconcile the difference by our own understanding, but there is a fleshly spirit that is not allowed beyond the point of this boundary. So, what you are pointing out here is a moot point; from what I can see, that is!

      I have no issue with your theology but I do with your application.

      > Ok, i’m going to keep reading now….

      That you would rattle off a few words before having read in full is a mark of emotional immaturity and shows the world who you really are – someone ready to shoot off the mouth; indicating someone with an agenda. Emotional maturity would see you read all the materials, consider the issues raised (and there are many) and address the primary issues FIRST, and engage.

      Not one person from PoT has EVER truly engaged with me and at no time EVER has anyone after you cast me off to the pits of hell attempted to address the core issue not dealt with. As I said to Victor when I published his Right of Reply here – you have NO MORAL AUTHORITY to speak here or to me until you address the core issue that you all duck and hide and ignore! Look how many people and words! Until you address this core issue you are simply farting in the wind. A big stench is being caused and spread far and wide. The world sees more an more how illogical and narrow-minded you all are. I downloaded and read virtually the ENTIRE PoT website including much of Victor’s book before so much as daring to speak to PoT! Not you. Read a few words. Shoot off a few illogical words and make a fool of yourself.

      Examine yourself Joey!

      • Thank you for taking the time to reply.

        I only rattled off a few words because I was struck by the harsh and accusatory words being used here.

        I whole-heartedly appreciate and take seriously when one might say to me to, Examine myself so thank you for that. I may be “emotionally immature shooting off my mouth’, as well as a few other things i care not to say, but God knows and is watching the whole matter; that’s all I care about, and I am still learning. From what I can see though here on your site is that much of what you say is only a matter of your own opinion.

        I will lift up the name of Jesus when He spoke, “And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.’ Matt 18:3 — From your words, the “emotionally immature” don’t stand a chance, correct?

        Again, thank you for your reply.

        PS. If and when I gain all the knowledge, understanding and logical words so that I don’t “make a fool of myself” on your most prestigious site, maybe I’ll be fortunate enough to make another comment sometime, but as you can imagine, its not looking too promising for me!

        “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:6

        Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1 Corinthians 1:25

  5. Dennis – I have reviewed the Path of Truth’s website quite thoroughly, and even wrote Victor a few years ago. I tried to compliment him on the article concerning the marks of a cult, which had much that was accurate; and I offered constructive criticism of that article regarding glaring errors. The vicious attack on my person and my salvation was unbelievable!

    Further, the cult (and yes, it IS a cult!) denies not only the Trinity, but other biblical doctrines as well. Their attacks on various Christian denominations and their personal attacks on other Christians, as well as their vulgar language, all lend credence to the labeling of them as a cult. They show several classic signs of the cults, too – one of the most prominent being their claim to have a corner on the truth. Do not be deceived by this cult!

    • “Further, the cult (and yes, it IS a cult!) denies not only the Trinity, but other biblical doctrines as well”

      The trinity only came into existence on 381 AD, by way of Constantinople. The trinity is never one time, mentioned the Bible, and the Apostles had already passed away long before anything could have been written on the subject of the trinity. The RCC decided to glorify the spirit of man / antichrist by giving the religious the trinity! So because PoT does not believe in the so called catholic trinity, they are a cult?

      Are you able to share what the vicious attacks on your salvation were?

      Ephesians 5:13
      “But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.”

  6. I stand aghast at the state of the poor interpretation of the scriptures and a group of people calling themselves Christians. They remind me of the gnostics and arians that I have read so much about. Since when is division and slander levelled against the early Christians who paid with their lives for their faith a banner to stand under before the Lord.
    Perhaps in your reading of doctrinal material you should perhaps read or listen to David Martin Lloyd Jones, Scroggie, men and women who were theologically sound during the Welsh revival when the Holy Spirit moved mightily toward the salvation and upholding of many.they read Isaiah like good little boys and girls do so that they can see who Jesus Christ is. IF it says he is the First and Last then he is the First and Last. IF it says that He is Jehovah of Armies then he is Jehovah ( a 16th century term for Yhwh, Yehuwah his real name is hidden out of reverence). I simply refer you to Romans 8:9-11 and to Peter 1:Peter 1:10-11. The Warnings of 2 peter says it all to me. Self aggrandizement doesn’t wash well with me. Humility does. I am a Messianic Jew, a follower of the Way, a servant of the Most High God in and through Jesus Christ my God and Saviour (hopefully I have covered all bases).
    As an apparent brother of Christ to these people and I do mean apparent, I feel a great sense of shame and grief at their cheap shots at the early church fathers and the Jews who suffered during ww2.
    They need to thoroughly read the book of Romans and Revelations before they take shots at the brethren.
    At first I thought they were Jehovahs Witnesses. Now I just don’t know what to think. Like you, I believe they have more to worry about than where other people stand with God.
    I just wonder how these brave spruikers would stand up under the persecutions of the early martyrs. Perhaps you could recommend Fox’s Book of Martyrs to them or a book of church history perhaps. I have heard many self righteous baby Christians deluded by their own idealism become mouthpieces for God only to find out down the track that they were not sent by God, Charles Taze Russel comes to mind.
    You asked me to speak my mind as a Christian. I pray that God will have show mercy, grace and forgiveness to these people with a view to leading them to repentance. Please in passing, feel free to pass this onto these people.

  7. OMG….what a bunch of old farts! Look, I love God and I totally belong to my Lord Jesus, but I believe that our Father has so much more for us than a doom and gloom life frought with theological debate and a sour puss. Who would even want to follow these guys? Life is awesome, and our next one will be even better. These guys are waaaay too crabby.

    • Thank you for your feedback Cindy. My wish is that the world is a better place for these comments. Your phrase that these guys are “waaaay too crabby” has a simple truth – it seems to encapsulate the sentiments of many. I think on the balancing act of truth and love Victor and Paul lean strongly to perceived truth and their view of love is distorted by a warped lens. Jesus came to set captives free . . . those unable to see their own weaknesses are captives. Personally theological debate such as PoT engages with turns me off. Establishing truth via application of cold hard logic onto fact however seems to me to be the message of Christ outworked day by day in His earthly ministry PLUS the call of the Holy Spirit today. Thank you again for bothering to comment here.

  8. Awesome review, Dennis. Thank you and praise the Lord!
    P.S. I knew when he mentioned I have to sit down in the men’s room, “so there is no splashing”, that it was time to move on. GOOD GRIEF! Just what we need…another huge set of laws to follow! Thank you again for your effort and dedication to the truth.

    • Thank for bothering to respond here Bill. By “he” I assume that you mean Victor. I have not heard or seen of this instruction before either on Path of Truth materials or indeed globally. One thing I note from Jesus was that He was comfortable cross-culturally and through all sectors of society. It seems to me that He sought to deal with broken relationships (primarily with the Father) and the little things of life like this didn’t matter to Him. I don’t discount cleanliness as a godly conduct BUT in context there are things that can be flexible without being a religious requirement.

      Your concept of “time to move on” because of a small minor issue of toilet cleanliness is interesting . . . it means that other things of more importance had likely been brewing with you and yet not dealt with. Thus it was like the straw that broke the camel’s back triggered your decision to move on. One thing that I DO appreciate about Victor’s approach is his total dedication to DOing what he knows [or believes] AT THAT TIME to be right. This means that [absent from deceptive influences/pride etc] he has a closer relationship of obedience than others who brew then snap. This is a sign of Christian maturity. It doesn’t mean there aren’t holes in his conduct or issues with his belief systems but it shows me that those who write him off theologically as a cult may have a surprise in the world ahead of us!

      • Great feedback. Thank you.
        Yes, I meant Victor, and I was being a bit facetious about the cleanliness issue. I do agree that he has some good ideas and suggestions, as you mentioned. Stay well and thanks again.

  9. Hi Dennis,
    I have just now come across this bit of writing regarding TPOT and Victor and Paul etc. I do not come to criticize you, though as you so graciously admit, you perhaps, perhaps may on a few occasions might need a slight bit of correction. Enough sarcasm to turn you off?(I fall into weird humor at times, a bad habit I know, sorry.) Keep reading if you will. If I speak from an emotional immaturity, it is but one of many faults I possess, so feel free to call me out on them. (Not being sarcastic, just FYI) I am a former attender, of some 2-3 years. of the Path of Truth group. A few months ago I was uncerimoniously kicked out. ( They called me-to be truthful, I think they were addressing demonic forces, not me, per se- a loser and some harsh perjorative which escapes me at the moment-getting old is hell. 🙂 ) Yet I still feel those months with Vic and Paul were the best of my life. Wouldn’t trade them for anything, even if I could. If you have any interest in why I say this, I will gladly give a report as honestly as I can. It will be wordy; I too like the sound of my own voice it seems. If not interested, no problem.

    • Hi Eric and thanks for responding here
      > you perhaps, perhaps may on a few occasions might need a slight bit of correction.
      Feel free to correct. I am an investigative blogger and consider myself a truthseeker. A key component of establishing truth is to apply logic onto fact. Conclusions are of course opinion. Anything that people give me, like your experiences and correction [of fact] are very welcome. Thank you for bothering!
      > feel free to call me out on [weaknesses]
      Online here Eric, I’m only interested in peoples’ failings if they affect my investigating and blogging. For example I will call out emotional responses that deny logic but ignore immaturity or personal matters. You are pretty much free to act or say as you will in your own style.
      > [Your attendance/eviction] I still feel those months with Vic and Paul were the best of my life. Wouldn’t trade them for anything, even if I could.
      I am not surprised in the slightest Eric, and this is an aspect of PoT ministry/activities that detractors miss in their zeal to condemn. As I have said before, I too subscribe to some of the PoT teaching that is non-mainstream theology and I have assessed PoT to be e legitimate Christian ministry albeit with a tendency to overly judge others, and a dangerous view that they have an exclusive lien on the truth.
      > I will gladly give a report as honestly as I can. It will be wordy; I too like the sound of my own voice it seems. If not interested, no problem.
      I am interested and I think it will be valuable in the interests of P0T and others to hear your story. Please feel free to write a report on your experiences perhaps something between 1,000 – 3,000 words? If you do this and it is lucid I will publish it or quote from it with commentary. My suggestion is to separate facts and experiences from opinions and feelings. It is also helpful to use stories or anecdotes to illustrate opinion. How much you balance the neutral third person reporting with your personal story/opinions is up to you. Thank you again for responding.

  10. I became acquainted with Victor’s ministry through a relative. I sat in on a live chat sabbath meeting, and exchanged a few emails with Victor and Paul.

    Two glaring issues, the first of which is painfully obvious: if the truth is universal, and EVERYONE will eventually be saved, why the harsh judgment(s)? Wouldn’t the godly attitude be loving and kind (‘you’ll get it one day, my friend’), instead of harsh, mean, and damning (‘you must listen to Us, as we are God’s messengers’)? Which then begs the question, why does anyone HAVE TO listen to them?

    The above type of attitude reminds me of Jesus’ description of the evil servant, who because Jesus’ coming is delayed, starts to beat his fellow servants. There is irony in that, considering they (Paul, Victor, and followers) believe that Jesus is not coming back.

    The second glaring issue, which has lead me to conclude they are indeed a cult, is their belief that marriage is only valid if you are married to a believer, a.k.a. someone from their fold. They make Jesus’ words null and void ‘anyone who divorces his wife except for fornication (porneia) is guilty of adultery’ because, according to Paul and Victor, a marriage isn’t real unless you are married to a believer; again, someone who follows them.

    Again, the irony, if you believe that everyone will eventually be saved.

    No one should make the word of God null and void for the sake of their teachings or purported visions/experiences. And we must obey God rather than men.

    • Hi Marie and thanks for contributing here. Hopefully the world will be a better place for your comments.

      I have a problem discussing theology in regards to any religious organisation for I have found little to be gained by arguing. If they worked out how many angels can dance on a pinhead I have yet to find the answer and I don’t consider this an important part of life. Likewise with PoT’s theology. Some of their contentious thinking and teaching I agree with.

      You raise two issues and the first makes perfect sense (indeed why is there need of condemnation if all will be saved), however the second one I’m actually with PoT in principle and I’ll tell you why. When you define marriage in scripture you have varying applications of marriage and ceremonies and exceptions due to hardness of heart and certain destructive actions. Which part of scripture DEFINES marriage? My take is that it is in the Garden of Eden and everything else is attempts to deal with an ideal in a fallen world. Basically God brought Adam a helpmeet – he eyed her up and down and said, “Thanks Lord!” No priest; no rings; no feasts, gifts or ceremonies; no vows and . . . no clothes! If you view a certificate from a secular government as a legitimacy of Christian marriage you put an important Christian/spiritual matter under the authority of a secular authority, something that the OT and Jesus specifically taught AGAINST with their teaching of separation. This is a vital concept – to separate the holy and the unholy and much of the Torah was to define and divide.

      Now, think of the horrendous problems that Christians who submit their marriages have with homosexual marriage from the same authority that issues their ‘marriage certificates’. Christians should be waking up to this conundrum. It is a blessing in disguise because why are we using systems of the world to legitimise something so important to the Lord as marriage?

      Now in regards to PoT’s application of this, whether or not PoT ARE the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth is another question, one in which I have shown a huge failure on their part, but with the PRINCIPLE you mention here, I do concur with PoT’s teaching to recognise only that before the Lord. Sure this is not mainstream Christian theology at present but I suggest that you watch as around the globe over the coming years genuine Christians will develop and apply their own marriage processes to avoid having to submit to the legal corruptions of the day.

      My intent with my blogging is NOT to deal with PoT theology; I am more interested in logic, integrity and their conduct. As I have concluded, yes there is indeed cult-like behaviour; yes there is a very high level of condemnation of others; and they fail with integrity though and the application of logic.

      Thanks for chipping in your thoughts none-the-less Marie. Blessings to you.

  11. Dennis, I just read all the above comments and your input. It is all very interesting and disturbing. I Looked up Austin Sparks on inter net as he was the teacher during my life that made the most sense. Mind you I was born again when I was about 33 and have gone through every stream of Christianity. I am now 85 and can only praise the Lord for His guiding in the wilderness of voices. Well did the Lord say I am the good shepherd, my sheep will hear my voice and will not follow strangers. There are many strangers around alas. I checked Austin Sparks as well. Austin Sparks saw many things like PoT maybe {I could not be bothered to read all but picked up quite a few things during the reading} but his attitude and humbleness were totally different When I looked on internet PoT classified him as a false teacher. That’s how I came to all of this. I would like further communication with you as I think we can all add to one another’s growth in love or we can destroy one another with our bickering and fighting

    • Hi Diwi
      I am very happy to communicate offline. Click the TALK TO ME Contact button on the top RHS of my website for contact form and details.
      I can keep communications confidential if you like but prefer to do most things online – as do PoT I believe. There is a time however for being sensitive of course. Well done for staying the distance – from 33 to 85 is a mission! Lovely that you can ascribe this continued faith to His shepherding too! This is the path of maturity and sanctification is it not from “I follow Jesus!” to “It is Him who roams the Earth seeking those of contrite heart that He may enter, indwell and strengthen us”? I can’t address Austin Spark’s teaching sorry nor PoT’s classification of him as a false teacher as I don’t claim to be able to mix-it with others at this level of theology. What I can do as a truthseeker/truthspeaker however is observe, analyse and apply sound logic. I am with you on the concept of adding to each others’ growth, but I’m not averse to a fight. If people claim to have an exclusive lien on the truth and apply faulty logic then I’m sorry they’ll cop it from me – thus this series on Victor and Paul’s failings in this area. I’m not too big that I can’t admit error, but I’ve yet to be shown the error of my logic. To me it’s not so much who’s right though, it is that we fight fair and PoT certainly don’t. That arrogance is caustic and divisive and as many others have noted, not a godly conduct. I repeat my take for the record – Christian Ministry – yes. Problems with excessive judgmentalism – also true. Thanks for contributing here Diwi feel free to communicate at any time any way you wish.

      • From the Tipline:

        > How can you say it’s a christian ministry when Victor believes he is the prophet out of the book of Deuteronomy? Claims he’s the one Moses prophesied about?

        You have to define Christian Ministry to answer that one … Preaching Christ is perhaps the simplest. If that’s a good definition then PoT is clearly a Christian Ministry is it not? I’ll leave it to you to be more accurate if it’s important to define this. I have read and continue to read (past and present tense) their published materials and their teaching is certainly Jesus Christ from the outset to the end as I have blogged about extensively. Does it mean that I or you or others agree with them in all regards – far from it, but can you see agreement throught the mainstream churches? Certainly not!

        Now if we bring in theology into this question we have to establish whether it is the Catholic or Protestant or Orthodox version of Christianity that is a genuine Christian Ministry, then if Protestant we have to define a legitimate stream. The Happy-clappies, and if so which leadership/stream within that sector or Christendom? JW? Mormon? William Branham? Victor Hafichuk?

        Having an imperfect belief system doesn’t deny the possibility that Jesus is preached. Not only that but the beliefs of people change as they grow, learn and mature. It is Jesus that does the work through imperfect people by the power of the Holy Spirit. I am non-denominational yet speak the truth and preach Jesus. Do I have a genuine Christian Mininstry? Do I have to join a denomination to be classified acceptable?

        > Also, they believe they are the only ones that preach the truth and all others are wrong!

        I know that and they can think whatever they like amongst themselves as they are only answerable to the Lord. I’ve shown errors in their conduct which shows that they are NOT perfect but there are many deluded people in the body of Christ are there not?

        > How is that a Christian ministry vs a cult?

        How would you define both these terms? I’ve blogged thousands of words about my take.

  12. From Another page feedback:
    I find your page quite interesting so far. I must also admit that I did feel some satisfaction when I could witness Paul Cohen was for once outsmarted, outargued and frankly beaten. After reading some of their correspondance I hoped he would one day find his match, someone who could expose him at some level, and so he did. Not that it has relevance for the truth in the matters you guys were discussing, I just wanted the bully to be beaten. Not to call you a bully…
    You simply exposed something.
    Take care, God bless
    Michel

    • My REPLY

      In regards to Paul Cohen, yes it is rather ironic isn’t it? His silence is VERY revealing in the light of his multiple logical fallacies, isn’t it? The key to understanding Path of Truth however is not Paul – it’s Victor. Even though Paul is the mouthpiece; the guy who writes the majority of their releases and who edits Victor’s work and the main source of venom, he is essentially a lackey, albeit a highly skilled one. You will note that quite often it is the second man who takes up from where the leader stops and achieves substantially more. In Paul’s case he amplifies Victor’s failings. The biblical precedent in this is the role of the Holy Spirit in believers’ lives; something that Jesus said would achieve more on earth than He with His physical presence. Thus Paul is the powerhouse, but it Victor who calls the shots. Victor feeds off Paul’s support and has not (perhaps even can not) intervene without bringing the whole house down. I don’t think that Victor has the emotional maturity to self-regulate into the deepest parts of this all. He says it himself in as many words in his auto-biography, thus PoT leadership requires divine revelation in order to grow past one bitter old man’s resentment affecting the incredible truths that he has shared faithfully over the years.

      I would note a few other things here too . . .

      1. The truth of the Holocaust’s claimed Six Million actually means diddly-squat in the whole scheme of things between us. The WAY that Paul and Victor have handled it shows their true colours, so even if there IS evidence of the Six Million that finally comes to light my points still stand in regards to failed logic in many areas and thus errors in their ‘godly’ conduct.

      2. Both Victor and [especially] Paul would object to the use of the word “bully”. Their position is that anyone who attacks or challenges them is of the devil and of course (because they claim that they are walking with the Lord) against the Lord. If you look at things from their perspective this is potentially yet another dart to defend against. I do not want to give them cause to accuse me of the same. The essence of my blogging is that they are indeed a Christian Ministry (sure with some cult-like leadership tendencies) but that they err gravely with excessive judgmentalism based on their pride. I’ll let your words stand undisputed just for the moment at least.

      3. “Outsmarted, outargued and frankly beaten” is to me an accurate summary of the exchange. Many a reader has commented to me privately along these lines too. This now raises the issue that looms large in tackling PoT and their quite caustic and aggressive stance and that is motive. Paul [particularly] has a quick trigger. Victor has highlighted this in his auto-biography as a positive trait – intellect and capacity to size-up a situation very quickly. It gives him a huge advantage when dealing with the vast majority of believers who haven’t done the hard yards like he and I have both done. A lot of Paul’s aggression is a defensive mechanism – you’ll notice that clearly with my engagement when he gets into areas he’s out of his depth in. The vast majority of his communications though are cookie-cutter phrases and concepts used to ‘deal’ with those attempting to foot it with him theologically/doctrinally. It would take a special person to match PoT thus they always win, pulling the ‘we’ve written-you-off’ stunt when it gets hot. My outsmarting was not in an area of their expertise (doctrine) it was in the application of cold hard logic onto facts – the building blocks of any genuine truthseeking activity. That I beat these guys and that you can acknowledge that is a boost for my ego, for sure but in the context that I will likely be spending eternity with them, it’s not my wish to rub it in or make a scene about it. That’s my intent anyway!

      4. Exposure can be active and passive. PoT leans towards active. I’m more passive. They have been actively trolling the Internet and seeking exposure. I haven’t even looked at my Google Stats page in probably a year, although I do note current page views casually when I am online, and PoT pages have been quite active in the last six months or so. Like a stone in a current, the ripple is assured. Paul is exposed for sure – as you rightly assess – but it is the hypocrisy that oozes out of their pride that is actually the greatest thing I have been exposing. This will be more obvious as my blogging continues. Over the years many have tried unsuccessfully to call Victor to account. That this exposure is public from a Samoan-based blogger is entirely at PoT’s instigation. The concept that we should humble ourselves privately before we are humbled publicly is riddled throughout the wisdom literature in a Good Book.

      5. There is behind the scenes activity with communications with those affected, detractors, defectors, observers and indeed me to Victor personally. PoT, specifically Victor Hafichuk as head poncho has a serious problem with my blogging because:
      * I have a brain and use it;
      * PoT has gone out on a limb and cast me out of the body of Christ [according to their take on things in the spirit of Christ];
      * I think PoT have erred in several ways – excessive judgmentalism and multiple failures in logic to name a couple;
      * I am a truthseeking investigative blogger who is fearless to mix it with any “Crim, crook or crazy” that I cross swards with; and
      * I never give up . . .

      There is much more to come, I can assure you! Thank you again for your feedback. Hopefully the world is a better place for it!

  13. After being a full time pastor for 45 years none of this, or of that surprises me. I lived with this type of nonsense for 45 years and I find it amazing that “christians” are shocked that large groups of people today have no interest what so ever in this stupid, meaningless, and ignorant rambling and babblings and endless nonsense!!!
    I was not raised in a church home, coming out of the Marines and home from Vietnam in 1971 I became a “Jesus freak.” — went to bible college and became an ordained minister in a pentecostal organization. The next 45 years of stories would be funny, if not sad –I could write a book, but I don’t know if it would be a comedy or a horror story ???? Sometimes I wished I would never heard of any of it — I now refer to it all as ” dueling bibles”.
    What a bunch of morons and narcissistic people !!!
    “NO, I’M RIGHT, NO YOUR WRONG, NO I’M RIGHT, I’M RIGHT, YOUR WRONG, YOUR ALWAYS WRONG AND I’M RIGHT …..?????? and “for a small fee, love offering or seed offering I will tell you how to let me endocrinated you so you will become my follower” !!!! IGNORANT BUTTS !!!!!

    • Well Russ now it’s my turn to wonder how to respond. Laugh or cry! I wish you DID write the book. Victor has/is. You too should perhaps consider it. I ‘only’ spent a dozen or so years in Pentecostalism before being called out. Yours at 45 sounds more like a career or indoctrination or similar! I know that many despise the holier than though attitude of Path pf Truth. I’ve called it excessive judgmentalism but the root cause is the same of course – pride. I like your “dueling bibles” phrase as it is a concept that fits in well with Jesus’ approach to the nit-pickers. Putting aside PoT’s aggression and arrogance though, I find their approach refreshing because they shoot straight, most of the time. Be careful though when it comes to pinging PoT with money issues. While I know that PoT adherents commit to and work for the cause, and that they have received bequeathments etc, they’re not your typical money-to-us-will-fix-it such as the indulgences of the Catholics or the ilk of prosperity gospel evangelists. Thanks for commenting here!

  14. And here I was, copying and pasting all the VAST amounts of information on the Path-of-Truth site so that I could go through it all slowly and carefully! I’m totally paranoid about being deceived and I thank you for posting that e-mail “article” which enabled me to see the “true colours” of two humans – professing to be “men of YAHWEH” – when they are challenged. Embarrassment is often hidden under the cloak of belligerence and arrogance!
    Personally, I would have been ever so grateful that someone more knowledgeable than I (and that goes for the vast majority ‘out there’ since I’m a very ‘new” Christian) took time out of his or her busy life to point out where I was mistaken or misinformed! Pity Victor and Paul didn’t do the same thing and it is such a pity that they were not just a tiny smidgen more gracious!
    Now I simply need to push the delete button and dispose of the MANY pages and move on to (hopefully) someone less antagonistic and more gracious, which, in itself, is awfully hard to find with all the apostasy on the Internet and all the real kooks who speak such utter nonsense!.

  15. Not one person here that I saw as I scrolled (I will admit rather rapidly because the discourse here is making me ill), has called you out on your anti-Semitism! You and THEY (Victor and Pauls cult) sound judgmental, harsh, self important and NO WHERE near Christ like. For someone trying to sound so enlightened and educated, you are shockingly misleading people by calling the Holocaust the Holohoax. It doesn’t matter if it was 1 or 6 million killed! It was an atrocity and should not have happened. So you showed me clearly, just through this one line alone, and in very quick order the true depths of your heart and nature. My mother in law lived through the war as a young child, her father in the German army and she can tell you many truths but you would probably not be ready to hear the truth…so why would ANYONE with half a brain listen to you and this others groups self righteous crap you are spewing. Get out of your HEAD knowledge, your judgement is Holy nor is it of God and seek the HOLY SPIRIT as well as some correction and inner working of your inner man.

    • Thank you for commenting here Lynn. I have extracted your comments and given them more detailed attention: http://www.dennis.co.nz/2016/09/more-holocaust-bigotry/. In this post I correct you in not only your foolish conclusions but I warn you that the way you deal with the truth is ungodly. You have been fooled, and are thus deluded but more importantly you accuse falsely and apply poor logic.

  16. I found this rather funny, tedious and, in your words: “…unbiblical judgmentalism based on arrogance.” Furthermore, I was searching and searching and searching and found absolutely no Scriptures from you, Mr Smith to “back-up” your brilliant arrogance? How come? I also checked The Path of Truth’s website where every single thing IS BACKED-UP by Scripture.
    I’ll end off with your words, again, to you… “You have been fooled, and are thus deluded but more importantly you accuse falsely and apply poor logic…”

    • Hi Becky

      Thank you for not only stopping by but for bothering to respond here. Hopefully the world will be a better place for you and I engaging here. I have always noted that regardless of whether we agree or not, it is the people who bother to speak to me who really care; who have the potential to influence their environment and the others are less likely to matter in the whole scheme of things, as they are generally too busy with their own things to worry about others. So, regardless of your opinion of me, what I say or write, I like the fact that you do put pen to paper – so-to-speak.

      > I found this rather funny,
      Unfortunately I suspect that you start here with a condescending attitude. Assuming that “this” relates to my words and that “funny” means “cute” (as if you are looking down on me) then you show an arrogance at the outset. This is called [logically] an a priori position. It is not the approach of an honest truth-seeker attempting to establish reality. It is the sign of someone who has already made up their mind based on previous discovery (a word used here in the legal sense). I also assume that you are actively involved with Path of Truth (although you don’t say this it appears so from the tenor or your voice). I strongly suspect that it wouldn’t matter to you in the slightest even if I do show fault in you or your leaders logic or conduct. I’ll give you the opportunity to prove me wrong however by extending you grace, for the moment.

      > tedious
      Now “tedious” involves emotion, and in your case most likely patronising emotion at that. Jesus was a man of detail. God caused enormously boring details to be ascribed into the bible to the modern ear. I find them tedious . . . that is until I eventually come to understand the significance, either culturally or spiritually. Likewise with my engagement with Path of Truth, Paul Cohen and Victor Hafichuk. When you too come to understand the significance of detail, like Paul and Victor do, perhaps your boredom will dissipate and wisdom increase?

      > and, in your words: “…unbiblical judgmentalism based on arrogance.”

      Why does this annoy, or hurt you Becky? Is it because you, like most Path of Truth adherents believe that Paul and Victor are faultless?

      > Furthermore, I was searching and searching and searching and found absolutely no Scriptures from you, Mr Smith to “back-up” your brilliant arrogance?

      I’ve searched the bible high and low Becky and I can’t see anywhere in it that tells you to speak to me like this. I’ve searched your message and find no reference to scripture in what you have spoken. Therefore you are a hypocrite are you not? But it’s a lot worse than that for you though because have you noted that in the main I actually AGREE with a lot of Victor’s theology. You are making a fol of yourself having done shallow research, and probably, like others before you who have come and gone, charged in thinking that I am a wild detractor just out to “get” the people who you think the sun shines out of their posterior. On the contrary. I am a genuine truth seeker.

      But let’s just consider this concept that you allude to for just one moment longer, please. When you want to argue theology, you MUST revert to scripture for this is what theology is – establishing a worldview or take on like from Scripture. Victor and Paul make a big deal out of this. It is their hobby-horse; their strength and their passion, and good on ’em I say, but it is also their error – for try as I might I cannot see any scripture that tells me that Six Million died in the Holocaust, and THAT was the subject that led to my engagement with PoT and my subsequent investigation.

      > How come?
      Simply, because unlike your leaders, I do not argue theology, certainly not very much. I prefer to identify logic and fact, and to engage brain. When you know Him, it is He who speaks a still small voice guiding us into the wisdom that we have. Paul and Victor know this well and teach it well. That you require scriptural backing for everything you believe is great – TO A POINT, but there are MANY things in life that we believe that are not able to be backed up by scripture. Say you see a man acting suspiciously then running away from a car and the owner is a highly placed political leader. You might say to him, be careful the car may be booby trapped. He turns to you and says, “Can you back that up with scripture?”. You’d consider him a fool if he hops in, turns the key and the car blows up and kills him would you not? Of course. Likewise if I say the moon is made of cheese, can you show me the scripture which says that it isn’t ? The reason for this unnatural requirement to find and use Scripture to back everything up Becky is that as I said, Paul and Victor control their message. They use Scripture as a form of endorsement for their conduct, but when their conduct is challenged and it moves out of their comfort zones, then the wheels fall off and the Emperor is revealed to be naked.

      I have revealed Paul’s multiple failures in logic and shown him to run away when exposed. Likewise with Victor. He too is a man unable to mix it with a man of logic who knows who he really is. Not everything your leaders do is wrong or bad. I’ll repeat that for you may not realise this . . . Paul and Victor are both intelligent passionate people, but they are proud and have built themselves something that they cannot now afford to lose – therefore they cannot mix it with people like me.

      > I also checked The Path of Truth’s website where every single thing IS BACKED-UP by Scripture.

      No not everything – just everything that THEY choose to post. Have you got the parting words and analysis from all the people who used to believe and were intimately involved but now don’t and aren’t? Nope! You have a single-side, a single-dimension of the Path of Truth Ministry Becky. Keep looking, and asking questions and I can guarantee that you will mature in due course. Everyone does around Victor. Everyone, except those who cannot extricate themselves for various reasons.

      Let’s now talk specifics about your leaders. Paul told me that God had told him that there was no need to change anything on his website. Later her did. That’s a clear lack of integrity. Do you want me to give you scripture and verse over that? Likewise with Victor. He cast me off as one of the devil’s yet came back for another engagement with me to try to protect his reputation. Which Victor do we trust Becky? Do you want me to quote scripture again to back this nonsense up?

      > I’ll end off with your words, again, to you… “You have been fooled, and are thus deluded but more importantly you accuse falsely and apply poor logic…”

      You are welcome to your opinion. Well done for sharing it here, but let me please ask you, do you, like Victor and Paul believe in the Six Million Holocaust thing as peddled in the West? Can you answer my questions then any better than Paul or Victor did, believing something because it is common knowledge? Until you can address simple things like “Where is the evidence?” then I’m sorry but your opinions have less credibility than my very substantial active efforts over years to establish reality for myself.

      People like you believe in Santa Claus; the Tooth Fairy and other things that are fed to you by people who are NOT perfect – perfected in Christ for sure, but less than perfect in what they say, do or think.

      Keep reading and researching and asking questions and you will hopefully increase your wisdom, and in due course, within a year or two, be honest and admit that the guy you have taken your frustrations out on today, may have just been a teeny weeny bit right.

      I want to share an aspect of my analysis of PoT that I think is important. You may not be in a position at the moment to accept this but I write here for others so please bear with me. Jesus demonstrated and taught two key themes – first was TRUTH, and the second was LOVE. It is my view that Victor leans strongly towards the side of truth and lacks balance with a dearth of love. He confesses this many times in his Theo-biography.

      When you engage more with PoT, my advice is to enjoy the aspects of truth that fit within Jesus’ guidelines, but to be very mindful of the lacking of love within PoT circles. This is a balance thing that is way out of kilter. Just speak to Sarah or any of the others who have left or been burned through PoT engagements over the years and it should become very obvious to you, if you are honest. There’s a lot more to life that what PoT teaches and how Victor and Paul conduct themselves. You have been warned. I consider that a loving thing to do. If I am wrong, just ignore me!

  17. Hi,

    I am so happy I stumbled upon this blog and particularly this post. I am a kind of recent prodigal daughter, returning to the fold after years of on and off attempts at being a disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ and a worshiper of The One TruthGod, God the Father.

    Out of His abundant Grace, God called me once again and thankfully I heeded the call. I started this new journey by reading a chapter of Proverbs every day and my spirit was uplifted. Many times in the past I would start off as such and then as I begun to search out biblical teachers, I would stumble across false teachers whose god was obviously money, people who taught issues that were so obviously contrary to the bible, even to someone like me. I would also stumble across websites where individuals were professing to be following the TRUE teachings of Christ while condemning everyone else false. IT became exhausting trying to be a Christian and I would give up.That has been my pattern for so many years.

    This time, I approached with caution. I live in a country that is almost completely God Forsaken in the literal sense of the expression. I needed and still do, need to find teachings and fellowship that will enable, encourage me in my walk with the Lord, hence my looking for teachings / teachers online.

    God has been gracious and has quickly steered me away from some false teachers who appear to preach the true gospel but are actually caught up in pride, greed for money, fame and serve mamon. I have found a couple who seem to be adhering to the true teaching of God.

    So the other day I stumbled on “The Path of Truth” and begun going through their site. What a wonderful mess with some truth. The thing that immediately jumped out was what you so clearly point out, their judgmental attitude, their arrogance in the belief that their beliefs are the only way, and the biggest red flag for me was “personal insights from God”. The other one was what one of the teachers I listen to says.

    This teacher says that he will never personally name false teachers because Jesus never called out the Pharisees by name. He referred to them in general but never once called them out. Jesus did not come to judge. I believe in discernment as a Christian. I have found this attitude to be very helpful as a caution when approaching teachers.

    This long winded post is my attempt at saying, Thank you for putting forward your information in a manner that is concise and not judgmental and attempting to bridge the hate with love.

    Let me look around now and see what more you have in here.

    • Hi Mrembo
      First thanks for bothering to write and secondly for letting rip like you did.
      > I am so happy I stumbled upon this blog and particularly this post…concise and not judgmental and attempting to bridge the hate with love.
      I work hard to do exactly that – to speak the truth in love. I find it interesting that you view PoT as hateful people as this is definitely how they come across. Pride causes us to judge. Hate is indeed a close relative of judgment.
      > I am … returning to the fold after years of on and off attempts at being a disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ.
      The longer I live the more I am at peace with lack of perfection in my own walk of faith. I find that guilt for our own efforts at being something we want to be; or something that we think we should be has a ‘lower’ source. I think that we glorify God more by trusting Him than measuring ourselves unduly.
      > Out of His abundant Grace, God called me once again and thankfully I heeded the call.
      This is the core message of the OT is it not – Hear and Obey?
      > Many times in the past I would start off as such and then as I begun to search out biblical teachers, I would stumble across false teachers whose god was obviously money, people who taught issues that were so obviously contrary to the bible, even to someone like me. I would also stumble across websites where individuals were professing to be following the TRUE teachings of Christ while condemning everyone else false. IT became exhausting trying to be a Christian and I would give up.That has been my pattern for so many years.
      Ouch! I don’t understand the concept of “trying to be a Christian”. From the day of my Salvation I have always known that He was the Truth therefore I had to be called a “Christian”. I can’t see how one can “try to be” one.
      >This time, I approached with caution. I live in a country that is almost completely God Forsaken in the literal sense of the expression. I needed and still do, need to find teachings and fellowship that will enable, encourage me in my walk with the Lord, hence my looking for teachings / teachers online.
      Can I make a suggestion or two? Back yourself and give, teach and extract from others what you know the Lord wants you to understand. If He wants you; has called you, and you have responded, do you not think that He can and will resource you?
      > God has been gracious and has quickly steered me away from some false teachers who appear to preach the true gospel but are actually caught up in pride, greed for money, fame and serve mamon. I have found a couple who seem to be adhering to the true teaching of God.
      Men, couples others will always let you down. In a decade or two I promise you that you will look back at this couple and see the errors of their ways too. You appear to be chasing something that doesn’t exist outside of Jesus.
      > So the other day I stumbled on “The Path of Truth” and begun going through their site. What a wonderful mess with some truth. The thing that immediately jumped out was what you so clearly point out, their judgmental attitude, their arrogance in the belief that their beliefs are the only way, and the biggest red flag for me was “personal insights from God”.
      Be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Passing judgment on others’ theology is a dangerous thing, for they MIGHT be right. Many a Christian has nestled under the teaching of one leader/denomination only to change their theology as they matured.
      > The other one was what one of the teachers I listen to says. This teacher says that he will never personally name false teachers because Jesus never called out the Pharisees by name. He referred to them in general but never once called them out. Jesus did not come to judge. I believe in discernment as a Christian. I have found this attitude to be very helpful as a caution when approaching teachers.
      Yes, you are wise with this. It is a source of pride to PoT leadership to have listed and to call out others as False Teachers. PoT leader Victor Hafichuk personally sees it as important to his public profile that the PoT website has them listed, and indeed wants more of them. This is an important part of his personal ‘validation’ for his excessive judgmentalism. I would give you counsel to be careful not to return fire with fire for this does not deal with sin – it simply replicates it.
      Thank you for bothering to write here Mrembo and sharing your thoughts.

  18. “They have two areas that concern me, one relating to their blind belief in Holocaust story (more on that shortly) and the other a distinct lack of teaching or reference to the true nature of money, and the evil of usurious practices. Of course they are not alone in either of these issues but nonetheless their ministry is incomplete without reference to this latter vitally important subject (the true nature of money), one that I call the second most important question in life, aside from the one of the identity of Jesus.”

    Where does this teaching about money come from? I read something similar as part of so-called “Christian” teaching on a particular website which exudes confidence about it doctrine, yet this has no foundation in the scriptures whatever, therefore why would teaching on it be such a pressing issue?

    Read Deut 23:20 –
    “You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land which you are about to enter to possess.

    God would actually bless Israelites who charged foreigners interest in the OT and there is no comment on the evils of interest in the NT as far as I know?

    As to the true nature of money there are numerous scriptures, but Mark 12:17 comes to mind –
    And Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were amazed at Him.

    By the way, that coin represented the oppressor of his people and their executioner – the beast power of Rome. Yet handling the money did not cause any ill effects or attract judgement – is that not so?

    • Hello Joel. Thank you for visiting.
      > Where does this teaching about money come from?
      At its root, Scripture.
      > I read something similar as part of so-called “Christian” teaching on a particular website which exudes confidence about it doctrine, yet this has no foundation in the scriptures whatever, therefore why would teaching on it be such a pressing issue?
      I don’t see anything in the bible about brain surgery but brain surgeons teach each other don’t they? Likewise with me teaching about Samoan culture because I don’t see Samoa written in the bible but still there are lessons to be learned and shared aren’t there? Now for 1500 years the entire body of Christ thought and taught that usury was a sin, literally a mortal sin. In the early 1500s the corrupted Pope of the time introduced the first permitted use for his own Church purposes and since then there has been a downwards slide so that now the charging of interest is now normal. That’s the history. The significance is that deliberately enslaving ourselves is foolishness when Christ came to set us free. If on the one hand you claim to have wisdom and truth and to live in the freedom of such possessions, yet you willingly submit yourself to usury then you are deluded and/or have cognitive dissonance.
      > God would actually bless Israelites who charged foreigners interest in the OT and there is no comment on the evils of interest in the NT as far as I know?
      Look again. PoT have failed to educate you on this matter and as I said you cannot trust their guidance in this subject matter for they don’t know, understand, or listen to me who has drawn it to their attention. Jesus totally condemned charging at interest just as the OT totally condemned it. FYI the scripture you quote you are not understanding properly. God permitted His people to charge interest to His ENEMIES! It was a form of enslavement then, as it is now, because of it’s essential nature! If God permitted arsenic to be served to His enemies and not to his peoples’ brothers, does this make drinking arsenic OK by you? Not in the slightest, of course. Understand this Joel . . . that usury is the means that evil is empowered and we should read and understand the scriptures fully. Usury is EVIL . . . SIN. There are no exceptions, just like arsenic even in smallest doses will kill because it is a poison by its very nature. Read Michael Hoffman’s treatise (usury in Christendom) on it if you want a thorough treatise or if you have any doubts.
      > As to the true nature of money . . .
      I’ve written extensively on this topic because it is so important. In 2016 the people have largely deliberately and consciously enslaved themselves to the political/financial system of our day which is a usurious system at its core. This system must eventually implode, and Daniel and Revelation explain how this will occur.
      > By the way, that coin represented the oppressor of his people and their executioner – the beast power of Rome. Yet handling the money did not cause any ill effects or attract judgement – is that not so?
      This is a simplistic approach for it depends on the money being used, as well as other variables too. If money is based on usurious issuance then of course it DOES have inevitable consequences by divine design! When we understand that money is at its core simply a record of a half completed transaction, not a commodity our attitude and approach to virtually everything changes from the social norms of today to the biblical world view that Jesus showed us. The subtle change is profound and is incredibly liberating when we understand it. PoT don’t. I recommend that you broaden your horizons, oh, and read Victor’s autobiography and understand the very severe consequences of playing with fire money.

      • Thank you also for responding. You say that this teaching comes from scripture, but you didn’t quote any scripture.

        Luke 19:23 – Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

        Questions: who is the master in this parable? did the master believe that profiting from interest was a sin?

        >Now for 1500 years the entire body of Christ thought and taught that usury was a sin, literally a mortal >sin. In the early 1500s the corrupted Pope of the time introduced the first permitted use for his own >Church purposes and since then there has been a downwards slide so that now the charging of interest >is now normal.

        Well spanning “1500 years” and using the term “mortal sin” followed by “Pope” I can only surmise that by “entire body of Christ” you are referring in the main to the ordinances Roman Catholicism. The Church and indeed churches have held many views which are not supported by scripture – for example “tithing”, “transubstantiation”, “purgatory” and so on. This is no evidence that charging interest is in fact a sin.

        > That’s the history. The significance is that deliberately enslaving ourselves is foolishness when Christ >came to set us free.
        There is only one way to obtain a home for your family in this world as a working man – either you take out a loan and repay it, OR you rent from a “Land Lord” and line another mans pockets. Either way, you are going to get up, go to work, to put a roof over your head. You can pay a bank and hope to possess your own home and perhaps even pass that to your children, or you can pay a Land Lord and have nothing to hand on to your children – OR alternatively you can sleep under a bridge as long as the police allow it. If you get up each morning and drag yourself into work, then you are a slave. Christ did not come to set us free from existence in this world at this time, he came to set us free from sin.

        > If on the one hand you claim to have wisdom and truth and to live in the freedom of such possessions, >yet you willingly submit yourself to usury then you are deluded and/or have cognitive dissonance.
        OR, perhaps someone might want a house for their family? Do you have any scriptures to support your view?

        >Look again. Jesus totally condemned charging at interest just as the OT totally condemned it.
        >FYI the scripture you quote you are not understanding properly. God permitted His people to charge >Interest to His ENEMIES
        No, the scripture in Deut says they may charge interest to FOREIGNERS not ENEMIES. You are twisting the scripture rather than acknowledging a plain reading., Just as the law touches on foreigners in other things such as being allowed to sell unclean meat to foreigners. It was not a SIN to charge interest. Are you proposing that God instructed Israel to commit the most heinous sin as you describe it, just to lord it over their enemies? How exactly would SIN against your enemy = righteousness work in Gods law?

        >It was a form of enslavement then, as it is now, because of it’s essential nature!
        You know that in a sense God charged interest on withheld tithes right? The essential nature of interest is that someone loans some money and in its absence they are unable to use that money to generate income, therefore the person who borrowed the money makes restitution for that fact. A payday loan is extortion, but many loans can be afforded and serve a purpose – for example a CAR loan. By the way, Gods law did not consider becoming a slave voluntarily to be SIN, so your argument does not work.

        >If God permitted arsenic to be served to His enemies and not to his peoples’ brothers, does this make >drinking arsenic OK by you?
        That is not relevant. You would first have to prove scripturally that interest has some magical property that sets it apart from all other vices and is for some reason death dealing of itself. By that I mean that your view seems to be God is going to punish everyone who ever took a home improvement loan because it is sinful to pay someone back the money that you borrowed (how dare someone get their roof repaired!). You would also need to prove that it is sinful to be a slave – pretty much everyone on this planet and all of their ancestors have been serfs/slaves at some point.

        > Usury is EVIL . . . SIN. There are no exceptions,
        Prove it from the scriptures please

        >This is a simplistic approach for it depends on the money being used, as well as other variables too. If >money is based on usurious issuance then of course it DOES have inevitable consequences by divine >design!
        ALL money in this world is based on usurious issuance. Governments print money – therefore when you hand over money in a shop, you are giving the trader nothing more than a government IOU and they are paying interest to the world banks. The trader will then trade the IOU for goods and so on. Unless you have a collection of gold bullion that you regularly shave piece by piece to buy your groceries, then according to your worldview you are participating in EVIL SIN by handling money. If you have a bank account you are participating in EVIL SIN because your money is LOANED TO OTHERS at interest. If you pay a Land Lord, then you are a slave to him who allows you to reside in HIS home and therefore according to your worldview you are SINNING. If you own your own home, or have inherited one, then what does that mean, except that you are fortunate – and that is all.

        >When we understand that money is at its core simply a record of a half completed transaction, not a >commodity our attitude and approach to virtually everything changes from the social norms of today to >the biblical world view that Jesus showed us.
        That’s all well and good, but Jesus did not ask his followers to move to an island or reservation and build a self sufficient community free of government and money – i.e. FREEDOM. In fact, he told his disciples to go out into the world and also to “take a purse of money” with them

        >The subtle change is profound and is incredibly liberating when we understand it.
        Perhaps we would understand better if you stick to the scriptures that prove your point. I still maintain that your teaching is not scriptural. In the scriptures I see that NOT charging interest is credited as a righteous act. That is why Jesus disciples are told to lend without expecting anything back – “do unto others” is the highest of principles.
        Which scriptures say that interest is EVIL? Go……

  19. I believe them for the following reasons. 1. In their corresponding emails with their detractors, they’ve correctly pointed out where the detractors have made false claims, about what Paul and Victor have said in their correspondence with one another, thus making their detractors the true liar in their conversation. 2. Because they point out how other so called pastor’s, teachings on Christ all points back to saving our flesh, and which YHWH hates. 3. They teach true history of a word’s origin, like the word church and what it truly means in Greek, of which I have confirmation from a so called pastor in my city, who’s of Greek origin and doesn’t mean what so called pastors have taught us, or made us believe, another 2 words are Synagogue which really means a gathering and Christian means to be good not Christ like and we all know that only G-d is Good. 4. Most so called pastors refuse to keep the true Sabbatical which is from Friday evening, to Saturday evening, but instead follow a man who in history changed it and Paul said if we break one of God’s Laws, we break them all. 5. Most Christians read The Bible way to fast and don’t take the time to properly read what it’s saying, in a particular scripture and Paul and Victor are constantly pointing this out to their detractors. These are only 5 there’s probably more!

    • Hi Loncey
      Thanks for stopping by here. I will leave you with your five thoughts but would like to point out that your opening statement “I believe them” indicates a universal acceptance of an individual (or an organisation). I have found that there is no such thing as a perfect, fully believable, true person or organisation on this planet. In Christ yes, but as for the rest of us (including as I have shown in my investigative blogging) you will likely eventually find, as have MANY people who have hung around Path of Truth for a while that there are skeletons in the closet. None of us have it all together and this includes Victor Hafichuk and Paul Cohen! The concern that I have in saying this is that many of the people like you who “believed them” and have moved on have been disillusioned as a result of increased learning and wisdom. It’s not an either/or situation Loncey despite what PoT says. It is perfectly possible to speak a degree of truth but still have failure and err. Detractors who write them off fully make the same mistake as those like you who “believe them”. Cheers!

      • I think you’re right…they speak the TRUTH but not ALL is the true. If you are really filled with the Holy Spirit you will see error in some of the things they teach. I do agree with them 90% but not 100%

  20. I’ve run across the lack of humility problem many times, and it’s certainly easy to spot a peacock displaying his plumage. The more dangerous ones who disguise their attitude of supremacy with a cultivated appearance of humility and spirituality.
    I certainly share a deep concern for what is being taught in the sector of the entertainment industry we call church, but I’ve learned not to become too judgmental and cynical. God hasn’t given up on anybody. I was once of the staff of a fast growing church and left in a huff over valid criticisms of their operation. I returned some years later to be humbled by seeing that God had been working in their hearts on those matters deeply and that significant changes had occurred. Are we not all an ongoing work?
    Finally, I was discouraged that you, the author, have some kind of focus on the holocaust. Why? Are you furthering the kingdom of God with this emphasis? What abstraction can bring you to believe this is edifying rather than a doubtful disputation? It certainly completely derailed my interest in your message, because all kinds of flags pop up, and aside from that you seem to have some worthwhile things to offer.

    • Hi Buck
      Thanks heaps for bothering to write here and also for the intelligent, thoughtful feedback. I’m glad that you have engaged here.
      > I certainly share a deep concern for what is being taught in the sector of the entertainment industry we call church,
      This made me chuckle! So true in many cases eh?

      > but I’ve learned not to become too judgmental and cynical.
      Ah! IC, IC! Personally having left the organised denominational church from obedience to a ‘calling out’ rather than out of any negativity I have had to learn the failings of the church system from outside which has helped me deal with these two concerns you mention. In my analysis some leave from disappointment/disillusionment etc; others for theological reasons (small church, house church, NT church etc) and I guess there must be others like me who simply respond to the Spirit’s leading!

      > God hasn’t given up on anybody. I was once of the staff of a fast growing church and left in a huff over valid criticisms of their operation. I returned some years later to be humbled by seeing that God had been working in their hearts on those matters deeply and that significant changes had occurred. Are we not all an ongoing work?
      And isn’t this so exciting? That our minds are simply not able to comprehend that good things can and do happen in an imperfect world!

      > Finally, I was discouraged that you, the author, have some kind of focus on the holocaust. Why?
      I’m not exactly sure why you say this Buck. There are two possibilities that I can think of – First in relation to my entire blog of 1,000,000+ words the Holocaust is a minor subject. On my conspiracy pages for example it is only one of dozens that I have analysed. I mention it on the Home Page because it is definitely a ‘sacred cow’ and most have not even done the research. The second possibility though is because in relation to this post regarding Path of Truth Ministries (specifically the conduct of Victor Hafichuk and Paul Cohen) it is a central issue. It is **THE** issue of contention that drew out their hypocrisy and failures in logic. When one claims to know and speak the truth, yet buy into the hoax so violently and against all reason, it shows the ungodly agenda of the organisation and the hypocrisy of the people involved. A genuine truthseeker would NEVER respond the way that these dudes did! Not in Six Million years!

      > Are you furthering the kingdom of God with this emphasis? What abstraction can bring you to believe this is edifying rather than a doubtful disputation?
      You seem to have some form of Christianity bias in your thinking here which I can address best, I think, by explaining who I am. I am a truthseeker first and foremost, Christian second. I was seeking truth subconsciously for 15 years from the age of five to age 20. At that age I came to faith in Christ – I “became” a Christian, whatever that means. When the Christian message synchronises with the truth then I wear it. When it deviates, then I ‘park’ it, or in some cases abandon it. This is all different to most church teaching which says that we derive truth from the scriptures and then interpret the world around us through those eyes. This is the reverse of how Jesus called it. It puts our God into OUR interpretation of Scripture and opens the door to being manipulated by theology and theologians. Path of Truth does this expertly. We know the truth(Truth) – we’re right; you need to believe us. Jesus DID claim to be the truth BUT mos tof the time He let His deeds do the talking, logic on fact in the power of the Holy Spirit did the rest. This is one of the reasons why churches fail so much, because people need reality and truth. They all instinctively know that religion per se has nothing to do with truth but that Jesus does.

      I’ve always been an independent thinker and [rightly or wrongly] it is my belief that I will be meeting my Maker alone and will be responsible for my destiny according to what He wanted from me. I live applying the words, “Well done good and faithful servant” to His words to me, not to those that you (nor the Pope or or a Pastor, Priest or Minister) deem to be edifying. You see, to me I don’t care whether or not somebody more than half a century ago supposedly put a man in a flying bathtub and pushed him through an invisible hole in the Van Allen radiation belts and plonked him on the moon. It doesn’t matter two hoots. Likewise whether Six Million Gypsies, Jews or Mongolians were bumped off in a war in a certain place in a certain way three quarters of a century ago matters diddly-squat to me today where I live. BUT it certainly DOES affect the credibility of the person, organisation or force that is trying to get me to believe a porky. I am VERY interested in HOW people came to their conclusion.

      The key point here Buck is that for a genuine truthseeker, it matters incredibly as to HOW one builds our world view. When you tell people how to live or what to believe, you run up against resistance. When you show them how to derive the truth for themselves and teach fearless application of cold logic onto proven fact then they will always (I believe) end up with an encounter with the Lord – always; eventually! Remember that the very creation speaks of a Creator and that the stones themselves would have spoken, if the people hadn’t when the time was right. Think Balam, Moses and the rest!

      If you want to gain edification via misinformation, go for it. Watch and read the MSM, and let others like the politicians and the entertainment industries (!) do your thinking for you. I won’t and don’t, for I treasure the value attached to those words quoted that I know I will be hearing when my time is up.

      May I continue to address your challenge to “further the Kingdom of God” with this possibility . . . that post reading of my reply here, you actually humble yourself and ask a few simple questions of yourself and those around you. [Assuming that you have not researched the Holocaust Hoax thing] Have you actually done any research into the Holocaust? Do you actually know the issues that detractors have raised? Do you have any clues about the dynamics at play? If you knew that you and the vast majority of the Western world have been and are continually living under fear deliberately created and maintained for control purposes, would you not see that this may affect your worldview?

      > It certainly completely derailed my interest in your message, because all kinds of flags pop up,
      I think that this says more about you Buck, than me, doesn’t it? You see I have no message other than reporting on what I see and find out. I share my opinions after having asked questions and given things thought. I ask nothing of my audience. I don’t monitor hits nor seek fame or fortune. I am not a traditional business and don’t advertise. I just do what I do – investigate, think and write. Name some of the flags and be specific if you wish – no problem to me. If I’m wrong – please feel free correct me! I DEFINITELY appreciate people who bother to engage.

      > and aside from that you seem to have some worthwhile things to offer.
      Thank you! Glad to hear that.

      To conclude then . . . Do you realise in regards to PoT what an incredible thing has happened across the globe just because one man (me) stood up and asked just one little question of Paul Cohen, upon what validation he claimed the figure of Six Million? When PoT engaged with me, who never gives up and just keeps asking questions and thinking, then blogging about it, the entire PoT pretense has been exposed for what it is. The spotlight has fallen squarely on Victor Hafichuk himself; Paul Cohen has been shown as the hypocrite that he is; their Ministry style and validity has been discussed ad infinitum; detractors and observers have had constant opportunity to share their thoughts and they have done this – my oh my, even you are talking about it.

      My advice is to look at the whole thing positively; to reframe it all and perhaps even do some research yourself. My blog is a good start to this research because I work at a big picture level and most drill into detailed arguments quite quickly. Just search and you’ll get the guts of it! Have fun, and thanks again for commenting here. People definitely read these words and some genuinely do appreciate them.

  21. I entered into an email conversation with Paul. I jokingly said something like “next you’ll be telling me that yours is the only true ministry in the whole world.” Victor chimed in and said “Yes – we are the only true ministry in the world.” He then went on to call me a ‘viper’ and a ‘liar’ because I dared question their ministry – he declared me lost and someone who enjoys my sin.

    As far as I’m concerned, these guys are not a Christian ministry. They are completely deceived, and puffed up with pride concerning their own importance. The vileness of their judgemental, hate-filled writing has nothing to do with Jesus.

    • Hi Steve
      Thanks for contributing here
      > Victor chimed in and said “Yes – we are the only true ministry in the world.”
      Ouch! This is a claim of perfection is it not? Yet Victor states that they are mere mortals to me and that he DOESN’T consider himself perfect. Cognitive Dissonance of the first order.

      > He then went on to call me a ‘viper’ and a ‘liar’ because I dared question their ministry – he declared me lost and someone who enjoys my sin.
      PoT can be vicious when challenged directly and they know how to attack at your weaknesses. What you will find though when they are challenged with things that are indefensible they are VERY quiet. They have for example deliberately ignored me. They do not talk about Sarah’s departure, or her relationship with Paul, or the Holocaust or discuss monetary matters or the enormous revolving door of adherents or the huge social issues within their ranks of those that are there for the moment or Paul’s .

      I don’t know you so perhaps Victor has a point about you enjoying your sin . . . PoT write people off entirely frequently which is arrogance and illogical. It is based in Victor’s thinking that you are either with us or against us. We’re right; you’re wrong. We’re saved so you’re not. This is a defence mechanism based in pride.

      > As far as I’m concerned, these guys are not a Christian ministry.
      As far as I’m concerned they are – with some serious issues, but I can accept failure in some areas of any Christian Ministry, in their case it’s rather obvious to those on the outside looking in.

      > They are completely deceived,
      I think they are partly deceived, yes.

      > and puffed up with pride concerning their own importance.
      I agree.

      > The vileness of their judgemental, hate-filled writing
      Yes, that indeed!

      > has nothing to do with Jesus.
      Now YOU are being judgmental and making the same mistake as them. Can you see this Steve? What is the difference between they way that you treat them and the people who offered assistance to the Master when He was dealing with a woman of the streets? My take on Jesus’ ways is that He was never short on naming the sins, but always gave the lost the chance to repent. Now if you are specific WITHOUT the accusation you make (which is a form of pride of your own) then you will have credibility AND authority to speak.

      PoT have essentially attacked me over only one thing – that I love the sound of my own voice. To this accusation I have pleaded guilty. So, I am very careful not to judge them the same way as they judge others. I believe that this gives the the freedom, credibility and authority to accuse of things that are public knowledge. Writing them off entirely as you do, clearly as the Lord still lets them live with His knowledge and blessing, denies you the right to comment with authority. It was Jesus’ humility that gave Him the power and authority to affect meaningful change. I can tell you that Victor and Paul will NEVER in a million years bow down to people who write them off. They COULD however, hypothetically at least, listen up to my words and tone things down a bit or perhaps take some correction. Unlikely granted, but possible.

      If you don’t mind Steve, I’ll take your judgmentalism a little further as an example . . . I lived in Samoa for seven years. Everyone, and I mean everyone there lies. It is a cultural norm to tell white (and often grey and sometimes black) lies as a means to exercise diplomacy so as not to cause offence. This is abhorrent to Christ yet the vast majority of Samoans attend church and they all claim that Samoa is a “Christian country – founded upon God”. It is nothing of the sort first because this is a technical impossibility (Jesus came to save individuals one by one, not entire nations – we face Him individually and are accountable to the Holy Spirit day-by-day individually) and secondly actual conduct is hugely religious with self-interest and greed endemic. Can you, or anyone write off the entire country as unbelievers, deluded and [as you say] “nothing to do with Jesus”?

      I am writing a book “Escape the Church” in which I detail the issues that face mainstream Christianity. Victor Haffichuk has already written half of it in a different style if we’re honest. I think he’s dead right in many regards over the troubles of the ungodly religious structures that have grown around the message and people of Christ. Victor’s life of learning the issues with the organised mainstream church system mirrors mine. I can assure you that many very popular and seemingly upright churches are corrupt to the core and that is aside from many theological minefields.

      It is a slippery slope that you (and PoT) enter into when you first start to judge.

      Please understand also that while I speak to you directly here, I also do this so that others can see the issues more clearly.

      Thanks for stopping by!

      • Hi Dennis,

        Sir, I respect your humble answer.
        This is the difference between corresponding with you, and with Victor. And yes, I see the point you make. Whether they have anything to do with The Lord Jesus is not my judgement to make… and is a form of pride in me. Perhaps I should have said it in a more measured way… that their hate-filled writing does not, in my opinion, accurately represent the message of Jesus.

        Jesus certainly said many strong things. But He also said them with love – love that carried him all the way to the cross.

        In my emails with Paul and Victor I genuinely kept replying, trying to be gracious, hoping that a respectful dialogue would emerge. It became clear that was not going to happen. I would rather serve the Lord with gladness (Psalm 100:2) than spend any more time trying to have a dialogue with them.

        • > This is the difference between corresponding with you, and with Victor.
          I think the difference between us is HUGE. I work hard to build bridges; to understand; to connect meaningfully with both the Truth and others. I think I do a great job at this. Sure, PoT can accuse me of loving the sound of my own voice but if I am committed to doing this and if I am successful then I reserve the right to speak it as it is. False humility abounds in Christian circles and I hate it as much as outright deception. It seems that it is hard to agree to disagree with Victor!

          > Whether they have anything to do with The Lord Jesus is not my judgement to make… and is a form of pride in me.
          Well yes, and no! Sure, our pride makes us want to judge others – in a perverted sense of reality we think better of ourselves when we can see failure in others, and yes, the ultimate rewards or punishments of others definitely DO depend on the Lord . . . but I am with Victor & Co over MAKING judgments. We must do this. It’s only natural. Jesus did this and His disciples & Apostles taught us to do this. We have a brain & we should use it – passing judgment is a natural part of life BUT it is the extent that we take that judgmentalism in specific circumstances that determines the wisdom and level of godliness that we demonstrate. An example . . . say three kids are beating up on a handicapped child. Not good if their parents are watching. It may appear to be none of your business to judge EXCEPT that one of those bullies is YOUR CHILD! When you have a responsibility you care, and will correct or discipline YOUR child. You have less of a concern about others’ children. Likewise with Victor Hafichuk and me. He’s not my child but while I certainly do care about those many that he burns off I also care about his difficulties dealing with the real world.

          > Jesus certainly said many strong things. But He also said them with love – love that carried him all the way to the cross.
          I concur. Absolutely. The interesting thing is that if you follow Victor and his teaching, he says exactly the same thing. His problem is not that he doesn’t know or understand this aspect of dying to self; it is that he struggles to apply it and his personality and pride prevent a healthy truth/love balance.

          > In my emails with Paul and Victor I genuinely kept replying, trying to be gracious, hoping that a respectful dialogue would emerge. It became clear that was not going to happen.
          That’s normal for PoT, especially in email/digital communications but also in the physical as well. They have a very longterm history of burning people going back decades. All this comes from the top – Victor. As far as my investigations reveal, Paul acts as the powerhouse. He’s the one who is active and writes the most. He’s an extraordinarily talented man with words. Victor though as the leader determines the nature of those words. Respectful dialogue (as you put it) is normal in the early communications but it flicks across to their defensive aggression VERY quickly. Quite sad, I think.

          > I would rather serve the Lord with gladness (Psalm 100:2) than spend any more time trying to have a dialogue with them.
          I can understand that. If I had a beer for everyone that said something like that, it would be a real party! [joke] You raise a good point though which is why anybody would ever want to dialogue with anyone. The deep unfilled needs we have (Victor’s and yours and mine) are not easy to identify or admit. The heart is forever deceitful is it not? One of the things that I find very interesting is that while many detractors identify some cult-like tendencies in PoT conduct, Victor shows to me that most of the time he genuinely believes what he preaches and is prepared to pay the price for it. His manipulation of others could be hugely successful if he wanted to establish a traditional cult, but he continues to destroy any following that he manages to build. This confounds and confuses those who underestimate him for while there are some adherents who give all for a period, there is no Jones-like following and pots of gold at the end of the cult-rainbow! I do what I do in relation to them as it is something I stumbled into and it is my interest and mission (if you like). For most though, like you, sure – far better to live without the aggro. Take the lessons though and move on wiser.

          Thanks for bothering to contribute here Steve.

  22. awhile e ago i said bad things about paul and victor of the path of truth and im sorry to have said that about being a cult; jehovahs witness type and i take back my words.

  23. i made a stupid mistake chatting with victor and paul for two years and when they saw that i would not abandon the church org. tthey have a judgmental attitude and they think they are the only ones who has it all. avoid those two. this site shouldnt exist bashing every peacher there is.

    • Thank you for your comments here Bertin. You are not alone but your flip-flopping makes it difficult to respond, however ironically PoT does the same too! I’ll leave it at that for the moment.

  24. Hi Dennis,
    I came across your site by way of Google search looking for POT. Our differences aside, I wanted to take time to share that, I too, ended up in dialog (that he allowed so I may learn) that resulted in their cursing and abuse and finally Victor’s judgement on me to hell (though after time I’ll be reconciled into the bosom of God in the long run, a good thing, right?) . I had only gone there to ask him to get an individual off his false prophets list that he knew nothing about (only condemned her based on her website byline). I then noted the “more on pets” postings and the cult postings and that’s where things got interesting. His insistence that Gentiles follow the law irrespective of the Church command not to burden Gentiles (Acts 15) and the fact that I have pets, and the fact that I wouldn’t repent of it, condemns me to judgement for my “lawlessness”.

    In extensively pouring over his material (my sin would be wasting time) I noted the incredible similarity to Joseph Smith, from unsubstantiated revelations, to abridgements, to his “spiritual” domination. Most notably in the recent falling out between Victor and Paul Cohen. His core tenets are only slightly different then the Mormons, then he takes off on his own. To imply that Victors core tenets make POT “christian” would then parallel calling Roman Catholicism “christian. Neither of which is a follower of the Christ Jesus.

    I guess all I have left here is to wander, aimlessly, in my lawlessness…. 😉

    • Hi Dan
      Thank you for responding here. I note your desire to seek truth, do the right thing and to be open about it. I like that! A lot of your comments relate to theology which I try not to discuss heavily here BUT your observation on being cursed is common to all who have engaged with PoT. Victor’s approach to those who do not concur with him is caustic and obnoxious to most. I have noted frequently the usual experience . . . one engages, appreciates something that he has said/taught, challenges him in some way, gets the venom and cursing, departs wounded. This pattern repeats, has repeated and will likely to repeat until he humbles himself and backs off the aggression. I doubt that you will wander aimlessly and your lawlessness is according to Victor. Know that this judgment has come from one who is himself a hypocrite. I suspect that your last comment is given in jest or with sarcasm. I do not accept your assessment that individuals who are captivated by error (like as you say PoT or Catholicism) are not “Christian”. Many a believer erred yet was accepted by the Master. The requirement for doctrinal perfection doesn’t come from Jesus as far as I can see. I find serious fault in Victor and PoT, as well as some Catholic Church doctrine & conduct but the way I see it, He wants me to be obedient and to leave the deeper judgment to Him.

    • Hi Kathleen. I have blogged about this subject extensively. From my extensive research I have established that the three core tenets of Holocaust teaching are patently false – 1. That Hitler ordered the extermination of the Jews cannot be shown. That there is no such order is acknowledged by all well-informed on the subject. 2. That 6,000,000 Jews were killed in the “Holocaust” is totally unproven and shows indications of huge falsehood. This can be seen from many clues – the deceptions used to validate the numbers, the historical claims and significance of the six million to name just two of many. In fact the number of Jews who died at the hands of the Germans was in the order of 10% of this figure. 3. Gas Chambers of the type claimed to be used in the Holocaust extermination are technically impossible and all evidence for this impossibility fails when examined closely. It is my belief that the Jews suffered; were rounded up; treated roughly, used and abused. Some were indeed shot. That the Holocaust in the traditional well-marketed sense that Hitler built concentration camps specifically to gas 6m Jews in WW2 – nope – it’s bunkum. Now I understand perfectly if that isn’t on your radar Kathleen, but remember this, until you know BOTH sides of any story, you don’t understand. Victor Hafichuk is not a truthseeker – he simply believes whatever story the media peddle about it, and Paul Cohen has gone, in disgrace thus it is left to you and me to establish the truth. Find the key questions that detractors ask. Answer any of them satisfactorily and I’ll be very happy to change my mind. Until then, some people are taking advantage of our gullibility. I’m not going to be a part of that crowd! A word of warning though . . . should you do research and establish falsehood as I have, be very careful with your newfound knowledge and understanding. Most people don’t want to know the truth when it costs them. Thank you for asking. Search for “Holocaust” on my website and there’s heaps to help you understand reality.

  25. Very balanced article thanks for sharing. Clearly “The Path of Truth” has their own agenda, which is profoundly sad. As a brother in Christ, we need to be building each other up, not competing but completing each other so we can further the message and gospel of Jesus. I too accidently came across their website, and read with interest their story about C3 Global…I may be a bit biased…because I am a member of the Darwin church, and also participate in the C3 Bible College, just for total transparency…, however all the traits that he mentioned in his article, I have seen none of these. I would think I am above average intelligence and have been a Christian for a long time. When I moved to Darwin looking for a new church home, it was love of Christ I felt in the congregation, the teachings of Jesus being preached by the pastor, and God given principals that are outlined in the Bible being lived by members of the church that drew me to call this church home.

    I think at the end of the day all we can do is pray for and continue to love Victor and staff…I would like to say to “agree to disagree”…however there are several things he promotes and comments on his site which are clearly inflammatory. So maybe I will just end my comments by saying God bless!

    • Yes it is a challenge dealing with different opinions, especially when they are theologically based. I’ve found that theological issues have waned in importance over the years – things that seemed really important to ‘get right’ theologically a few decades ago don’t seem to matter now as I age. Some of this is the natural cynicism that comes with age and experience. Some of it is balancing things or measuring greater import elsewhere. Some of it is that I look back and see the influence of ‘godly’ ungodly influences and influencers. I think the issue of whether C3 or Victor is right is a red herring. Much more important is to get the systemic issues where when group of people (either Victor’s rag-tag followers that come and go like the tide, or your Pastor & his team of denominationally based professionals) is “led” that this brings an infinite God working through an unlimited Spirit into constriction. Victor’s message is extraordinarily restricting of his followers – with the best intent maybe, but hugely oppressive. Likewise, just try dissenting one mm or deviating 1 degree from C3 vision and purpose and see how far that gets you. All denominations and religious groups have defence systems that protect their very existence. Jesus alone had none, thus He was the target and achieved His purposes THROUGH choosing not to defend. This is why I am non-denominational on purpose – we need to escape the church, not because C3 or Victor is not right, or a cult, or wrong, but because Jesus wants us to hear and follow Him, not a denomination or a denominational leader. Pastoring in this context is the opposite of control – it is true servant leadership, lifting and motivating others to follow Him but helping them to back themselves to hear and obey. When you were “looking for a new church home” you brought an a priori assumption into your life. Imagine that there was no church where love was felt. Then what? Is God failing you, and you should turn away from Christ? Not in the slightest – He will empower you to BE that which you seek. My advice is to prepare yourself and your family for the eventuality that there is no C3 that demonstrates the love of Christ; that the Pastor is found to be morally failing and/or the financials don’t equate to your expectations. I’m not predicting this or saying that it is, but that you should prepare for this. Apostasy is predicted and occurring. Be ready and listen to His guidance. Blessings to you. I hope you can understand what I have just written.

  26. Welcome everyone! I am one of the ones named in Victor’s articles of ranting! If most think that this is a “Christian site” I would sincerely beg to differ. Many of Victors responses do not include our complete dialogues, only one sided of course. I did know Victor personally and there did come a time when I simply had enough, especially after he called my wife a very derogatory name in an email. Furthermore, there are some very serious doctrinal discrepancies with his and his followers beliefs!
    Firstly: Notwithstanding the greatest error came when he prophesied he was going home (die) on a particular day, I told him at that time it was a lie and not to believe what was spoken to him. Yes, I did call him as accused, the night before and asked if he was contemplating suicide, that is true, to which I replied that I would call him in the morning! Sure enough the next morning came and I called his house and, yes, Victor answered the phone, just as I also “prophesied” to him. Sadly Victor and his cohorts are false teachers and if even just a little false, how much falsity is God willing to embrace, or will God allow?
    Secondly: Victor also believes that he is one of the Two Witnesses of the Book of Revelation and the second Witness will walk along the Old Man River near Lethbridge, Alberta and the two shall meet. Just think of that statement alone and how arrogant that is. This man is consumed with himself and his own authority with little or no regard for others. I’m also not liking the fact that his rants also now have reached my professional file and that I find just a little disconcerting! I have not responded to him and in more than fifteen years, but he still keeps on writing about that and so this will perhaps be my only response. Troubling is the fact that I could go the legal route and have it stopped, but the scriptures teach otherwise. So until then I guess I remain the fool for Christ’s sake. Paul the Apostle identified false teachers and so let this serve as a reminder not to engage with men like this!
    If you have any further concerns or comments:
    Barny Knelsen
    barny.knelsen@gmail.com

    • Hi Barny and thank you kindly for commenting here.

      Your post is unsettling to me (and probably to many others) in several ways – it is highly condemnatory; it is relevant and clearly accurate in the sense that you report facts. I think it is one of the more astute commentaries on the negative aspects of Victor’s ministry, particularly around his hypocrisy, they key concern and the usual trigger for his adherents to depart from his direct influence.

      I differ with you in regards to your assessment that he does not conduct a Christian Ministry – I believe that he does – the key here is the definition used. If I ignore all the things relating to his psychiatric state, I see no difference in his conduct and that of ‘mainstream apostate’ churches that he pings, in many cases with good reason. As Christians we are not suddenly perfect. The longer we live the more we realise that we do NOT have all the answers. Add in uniquenesses such as Victor’s delusions of grandeur and you have a recipe that brews a messy cocktail of fallibility, fortunately resolvable in due course at the end of time by a God who is good, fair and just!

      In regards to the cost of immoral, unfair or illegal conduct by Victor towards you in a business or professional sense, I think you err in your strict, literal interpretation of Paul’s counsel not to use the legal system in dispute resolution. Taking your belief to the extreme you would not call the Police if someone who called themselves a Christian was raping your wife. Excuse me? I’d kill them if I had to to stop it. Look to the heart of Paul’s message and apply logic, grace and the sensitivity of the Holy Spirit. I would present your case to the root cause of your loss (I’m presuming that this is Victor personally and as he has no pastor of spiritual leader); inform him of the consequences of his words/actions to you in a clean, clear manner that is perfectly understandable to a rational human being. This will give him time and opportunity to cease the actions that cause you grief (or deal with it in a godly/professional manner) explaining clearly what you require of him (cessation or change) and then if the conduct continues, inform him of the consequences should he persist. The point of Paul’s advice is that “racing off to crooked judges” to settle disputes among Christians is foolish and shows lack of faith, maturity and is essentially selfish. The Lord is a God of Justice and your ‘common’ legalistic interpretation causes evil to perpetuate. Do you obey the traffic laws? So you respect secular authority? If the Lord uses His enemies to correct His chosen ones, you too can surely use the systems of the world to cease or at least moderate immoral conduct. Just make sure that you keep your heart clean in the process and do not seek anything more than is rightly yours – be that peace, the capacity to trade freely or whatever you believe the Lord has called you to fight for. I hope this has helped. Thank you again for sharing. I trust that in due course the negative consequences of engaging with Victor and PoT will eventually become a quiver in your arsenal of weapons FOR the Lord.

  27. Hi Dennis!
    I would not respond but along with all his comments your comments come up on my professional page and this makes me very unhappy. I assume you’ve read all about me Barny Knelsen and what comes up written about me and Biantco Environmental Services Inc. However, did take the time to read a bit about your comments to Victor Hafichuck as your comments come up on my e-page as well. This man has posted some pretty nasty stuff about myself after I addressed some serious issues. I broke all ties with this guy and I have had no contact with him for many years after and called my wife some very derogatory names.
    To me if a man is off on some major doctrines he is off on everything and as such I do not agree with anything he says. Scripture clearly exhorts us to prove all things and in proving even just some things I found his errors to many and to gross to continue on in any communication with him.
    In reading all your posts I just have one question, Why do you even bother with responding to his rhetoric? I know him personally and nothing ever changes. And furthermore, I do not agree with his style and approach to people, I think he is one of the most demeaning individuals I have ever met in life and scripture does say we are to live in peace with all men as much as lies within us. This man has no idea what Godly love is and even how we ARE TO BE IN FELLOWSHIP WITH ONE ANOTHER.
    Any ways God bless and I too shall carry on!
    Barny

    • Hi Barny and thank you for contacting me.

      > To me if a man is off on some major doctrines he is off on everything and as such I do not agree with anything he says. Scripture clearly exhorts us to prove all things and in proving even just some things I found his errors to many and to gross to continue on in any communication with him.

      I disagree, but understand why you would want to say this when it comes to Victor Hafichuk! He is indeed a big, fat, juicy target for many, but what you say fails Logic 101. As they say, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Logically it is perfectly possible for someone to speak truth in one area/discipline/time and be wrong in another. Your error Barny is the same as Victor’s in reverse. You say that everything he says is unworthy of consideration. He says that it ALL is. Do you see the problem? Furthermore you fail in logic by telling me to test all things which requires a subjective process as you work through each “thing” which in this case is each claim or each word from Victor. While I have found it easier to take a blanket approach (like you and Victor do) genuine truthseekers actually dig, ask questions, give credit when credit is due, change their opinion when new information is received etc. This is the core message of the scriptures that you paraphrase.

      > In reading all your posts I just have one question, Why do you even bother with responding to his rhetoric? I know him personally and nothing ever changes.

      The fact that you are writing is the reason I write. I write for the world because I have the faith that when I expose the truth about the likes of Victor AND the truth about detractors (exactly like you) that genuine truthseekers can see things better, think, act wiser and the world can be a better place. Many read my words and see HOW I approach a challenging situation. They learn FROM how I write as much as what I write. If/when I get an email or comment from you saying something like, “Dennis, you’re right. I hadn’t seen it like that until you pointed it out to me . . . thank you!” then I will know that Wisdom has descended upon your life. That’s why I write about this divisive, mixed up, self-centered, lonely old man that you love to hate! Unfortunately I suspect that you as the accuser suffer from the same disease as Victor Hafichuk and nothing will change in your life and attitude towards him. You, like Victor will have your shots; have your say and then hide from me, facts and simple logic. I would love to be proved wrong though Barny.

      > And furthermore, I do not agree with his style and approach to people, I think he is one of the most demeaning individuals I have ever met in life and scripture does say we are to live in peace with all men as much as lies within us. This man has no idea what Godly love is and even how we ARE TO BE IN FELLOWSHIP WITH ONE ANOTHER.

      I concur, but I also grant Victor’s freedom to think and live and preach as he sees fit. I put this down to the core root of pride, with a mixture of ‘uniqueness’ in genetic makeup aka psychiatric issues and life experiences. The fact that God allows him to do this is sufficient for me too to allow it. It doesn’t preclude me (or you or Him) from passing commentary, but it does mean that we should all have the faith that He is not in error ‘permitting’ (Victor would say it otherwise!) him to live/act/preach as he does.

      > Any ways God bless and I too shall carry on!

      Thank you. When you’ve worked out what I’ve just said and want to prove me wrong, you know how to find me.

      Blessings to you too.

  28. they did the same thing to me; cast me off of not agreeing with them on some points and accusing me of hypoctrite; anti christ and all. they are a cult of self righteousness and they think they are the only one to get save.

  29. Yes this is a hurtful thing for many Bertin. Jesus showed us truth and love in equal measure on the cross. Cictor and Paul focus exclusively on th etruth aspects of life and thus err with the lack of love. Truth can be brutal and harsh, causing trauma for others. Jesus however spoke the truth in love, somethign that V&P have yet to learn. Be careful though not to fall into the same trap as them, excessive judgmentalism, for none of us are perfect, and you might be surprised when you are spending eternity with them!

  30. Unfortunately, when they cast aspersions on the doctrines, they cast aspersions not only on the Apostles, but also our Lord Jesus Christ, The Prophets of the Old Testament and writers and the Holy Spirit Himself. The Bible along with all forty authors were divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. All truth that God has decided to reveal to us prior to the Second Coming has been revealed (see Daniel and Revelations). These people I believe take scripture out of context and use it as a pretext to (poorly) support their arguments. They come close, very, very close to committing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. We are saved by grace through faith to a life of righteousness not a life of sin and so the doctrine of perseverance. You cannot help willful ignorance. Please excuse the scriptural terminology, You shall know them by their fruit. We know what the Word says about zeal without knowledge. I believe regrettably that these sad folk suffer from that sort of self-righteous ignorance and arrogance. Good on you and may God bless you for speaking out.

  31. Wow…now that is bold judgment call on eternity; did Jesus tell you to say such thing? Please explain how you are able to say that? May I ask, what is your testimony and when/how/date you were Born Again? Would you mind giving your testimony so that others can see where Jesus brought you out of? Please? btw…did Jesus use only loving words to everyone that came his way? He spoke in truth and LOVE??? Really?

  32. > Wow…now that is bold judgment call on eternity; did Jesus tell you to say such thing?

    Did Jesus tell you ask me this? What arrogance you show holding your nose in the air like you do Joey!

    > May I ask,

    Yes you can but why don’t you take some time to actually read some of the more than a million published words I’ve published?

    > what is your testimony and when/how/date you were Born Again? Would you mind giving your testimony so that others can see where Jesus brought you out of? Please?

    No. Read my website.

    > btw…did Jesus use only loving words to everyone that came his way? He spoke in truth and LOVE??? Really?

    You have a narrow mind, lack vision, empathy and understanding. Your attitude is confrontational, condescending and demonstrates everything that the Lord Jesus demonstrated for us all to see – the very antithesis of your example here Joey. Examine yourself.

    If you are honest you will see the Jesus held the greatest condemnation of all for people like yourself who claimed to represent God on earth. They too were bitter, small-minded, critical and issued judgments upon others freely. Examine yourself.

  33. Thank you Bruce
    Because you raise doctrinal/theological issues I won’t comment at length but yes, indeed there are serious divisins between mainstream Christian belief and PoT.
    Personally there are some non-mainstream beliefs that PoT teach that I agree with and tend to doubt within the body of Christendom/Churchianity.

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