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  1. I dealt with this group for many years… a very tumultuous and and bitter relationship cause I just couldn’t buy the stuff they were preaching at the capacity they were doing it. I hated how venomous they were towards people they didn’t agree with mainly because if someone lacks understanding and you have it… if you’re really wise and touched by God, you should understand instead of being condescending and bitter… any-who, my final straw was when they gave me a prophecy directly from Jesus Christ Himself… they delivered a very powerful message saying Jesus Christ will not permit me to finish college and doesn’t want me to go. They also added that He says my family will not help and support me through it…. I felt uneasy about the prophecy…. also had dreams about them showing they weren’t really men of God… so I distanced myself. Fast forward a year later… I’m graduating with a computer science degree next week and my family have HEAVILY supported me through it all… So as it seems… their prophecy was complete shit. Leaving me to two conclusions… either they’re liars or their God is.

    • Thank you for speaking out Kay. The more who do this, the better the truth can be established & known.
      > tumultuous & bitter relationship
      This is a frequent experience – You are definitely not alone.
      > I hated how venomous they were towards people they didn’t agree with
      Yes, again this is a common experience. Jesus too chastised people but He reserved His venom for the religious leaders, clearly beyond redemption. Understand that their desire to attack comes from Victor personally who seeks to have as many “False Teachers” exposed as possible.
      > Your final straw – a false [BS] prophesy.
      Understand that all of us can fail at times. It is harder though when we fail spectacularly and our attitudes are poor in our failure. More comments in your second post . . .

  2. BTW, I’ve been trying to get into their forums to ask Victor about the prophecy… and although they claim they have nothing to hide… they’ve utterly blocked me from communicating with them or any of their members… Just like a cult would. I wanted to surprise them with this information but i’m sure they’ll read it here and formula some very convincing and convenient response…. something like “God spoke to me 6 months ago and said he would allow you to finish school but I never said anything because he also said you were still blind and wicked and unrepentant”… whatever crap to validate themselves…. but i’m over it and them.

    • > BTW, I’ve been trying to get into their forums to ask Victor about the prophecy… and although they claim they have nothing to hide… they’ve utterly blocked me from communicating with them or any of their members… Just like a cult would.

      Yes, this is repeating behaviour and again stems from Victor whom all are fearful of upsetting. Paul Cohen’s recent failure shows the politics that exist among the troops. Every now and then it surfaces and somebody leaves or gets chastised.

      > I wanted to surprise them with this information but i’m sure they’ll read it here and formula some very convincing and convenient response…. something like “God spoke to me 6 months ago and said he would allow you to finish school but I never said anything because he also said you were still blind and wicked and unrepentant”… whatever crap to validate themselves….

      You appear to have identified reality very well!

      > but i’m over it and them.

      I’d counsel you to digest their words and take how they speak it with a grain of salt. You have done something constructive putting pen to paper. Many read these words and hopefully the full truth can be known better as a result of your efforts. Thank you.

  3. Kay, you said: “either they’re liars or their God is.” I have only very RECENTLY discovered Path of Truth, at least, details about them, and Kay, THEY are the liars, NOT God. They are the most vicious, angry, hateful people I think I’ve ever met. I replied to a question on their forum, ONE REPLY, and they had already decided I am a “child of Hell”, and that I’ve said in my heart, “there is no God”. They CONTINUED to harrass me, AFTER BLOCKING ME so I can’t defend myself or reply, and last time I checked that certain thread, the message left for me was this:
    “In the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, beat it, you cursed fool! We’re not here to entertain idiots. Burn in Hell now!”
    Hmm, I didn’t think they believed in Hell? But anyway, Kay, DON’T turn from God because people who CLAIM to belong to Him are so wicked. I actually wonder if Victor and Paul are not demon possessed.

  4. I’m super afraid that they’ll find this, but I need to say this.
    I met them in 2014, right when I was graduating college with my associates. I got so enraptured and captivated by their teachings, that I bought everything. My mind was altered and I was convinced to stop taking my medication, something I really do need, and that almost everything I did was somehow evil or not right, even simply celebrating with my family.
    My parents found out and made me cut ties with them. Since then, I’ve been struggling greatly. I’ve had anxiety and panic attacks, suicidal tendencies, depression, a lack of trust and fear of anything that was outside of them, and it’s continued since then, even if it’s been four years.
    I want to have faith in God and Jesus without crippling fear, I want to be able to function and be normal again.
    I’m sorry, but I’ve needed to get that off my chest for a long time.

    • Hi Carlee

      Well done for braving it and getting it off your chest. There is no need for an apology.

      My response is to say:

      1. You are not alone in your fear of PoT. Many ex-adherents have the same emotions but like all grieving, as you mature and understand more about who “they” are and how “they” err, you will likely grow from the experience. I say this because it is often only the ‘good ones’ who get so caught up! You appear to be intelligent, trusting and caring.
      2. When you say “your mind was altered” I can understand this very well. It takes a huge amount of self-confidence and life experience to deal with persuasive people. Paul Cohen amplified Victor’s message very well and their unity and combined sense of purpose gave them a huge amount of power over people who submitted, during that time. Remember though that Paul was essentially cast out from PoT for dishonesty and that Victor is simply one man with a rotating bunch of adherents coming and going. As he says himself, a lonely path.
      3. You talk about your parents making decisions for you as well as having your own faith. I don’t know your age or personal issues with medication but while these two sentiments can be synchronous – they can also compete. Your challenge/task is to establish when you break from the parent-child relationship and back yourself in your capacity to hear (and obey) the Lord. No parent is perfect and while most parents understand, care and do their best there is likely to come a time where you may have the same choice that they gave you but instead of ‘PoT or their advice’ it will be ‘Jesus’ word or theirs’. I pray that you will learn from your PoT extraction so that you can exercise wisdom in the future.
      4. Living without fear, panic, anxiety and so on is a Christian norm. Your goal as a follower of Jesus should be to be free from the guilt or whatever that you suffer from post-PoT. One of the ways that I deal with this is ruthlessness in applying logic onto fact. If Jesus is the Way, TRUTH & Life, then when Victor (and Paul) show us that they are NOT fully honest then their curses, condemnation and attempts to put guilt on me are powerless. If this is still a problem for you, trust me and ask the Lord to transfer their curses upon me, personally. They may fill the room with balloons full of hot air and appear to own the show, but I have a pin. You appear to have a good grasp of reality. Normality will likely return or you will likely achieve it when you choose it. Easy to say, I know, but true! Thank you for writing and sharing.

      • Thank you for your reply
        As for my parents, it was mainly due to them finding out that I was communicating with them. My father asked some questions, and they called him a ‘demon’ and ‘child of Satan’.
        To think I let them insult people who’ve done nothing but care for me.

        • > Thank you for your reply
          A pleasure
          > As for my parents, it was mainly due to them finding out that I was communicating with them.
          I have no problem with “them’ communicating with you or anybody. Unlike you though at the other end of life, I have maturity and experience that makes my engagement painful but able to rise over it and deal with it quite quickly.
          > My father asked some questions,
          A saying I use is that “The man who asks questions [eventually] knows more than the man who answers them”. Your father is a wise man to ask questions!
          > and they called him a ‘demon’ and ‘child of Satan’.
          Ouch! This is typical of PoT conduct when Paul and Victor worked together. What happens when two are agreed is that self-delusion is shared and amplified. The soul-tie between Paul and Victor was strong and allowed them both to err. This was Victor’s responsibility as the lead, however he had/has issues that preclude him from truly understanding what he does to those around him. Paul submitted, covering for his own issues by doing Victor’s bidding and actually speaking for him, until he was found out and the wheels fell off. In Jesus’ case this brings godliness as He is perfect. In Victor’s, as he is far from perfect, Paul’s intense commitment to ‘the cause’ gave him the authority to speak ill of those who did not get in behind Victor 100%, thus the condemnation of “demon” and “child of Satan”. When (like Paul Cohen did) you see Victor as called of God more than a simple Christian calling anyone who questions (like your father) is clearly apostate. I think you will find that the venom of PoT will have reduced substantially with the bust-up between Paul & Victor. The power that Paul’s submission gave the tag-team has been destroyed and now you have more of a delusional lonely old Christian man preaching to any that will listen, rather than a Christian Ministry punching well above its weight. The reason this is important is because it demonstrates the power of like-mindedness, submission, unity and so on. This can be seen in the Tower of Babel, and incidentally the rise of democracy (both within Israel’s history and in the modern world) which usurps God’s plans & purposes and potentially in any situation where we put our faith in something other than the Lord and His Rhema.
          > To think I let them insult people who’ve done nothing but care for me.
          Overly judgmental eh? I will repeat my warning for you Carlee in regards to your father/parents. It could be said that Paul, Victor & PoT cared for you (in their own way) as does you father or indeed me too. What is important though to test what they/we say. It is a logical fallacy for you to assume that one person is fully right simply because they cared for you or said something helpful, right or godly once, or even twice. Moving forward, I encourage you to push in to the Lord and learn to hear and obey HIM . . . this is the normalcy that [based on your previous comments] you seek. It is entirely possible that I, your father, your pastor, your denomination could have gotten something wrong as did PoT. This is the caution that brings you wisdom as you build your path into the future. Thank you for commenting here again. Blessings!

  5. I’ve been reading TPOT’s website for a few years now. I’m not sure how I missed this about Paul getting the boot. The recent posts include correspondences with Paul, so I assumed he was still part of TPOT. I’ve read through various articles on their teachings and false teachers, as well as –I think- most of the theo-autobiography. I believe in the ultimate reconciliation of all, yet I don’t really follow any particular teachers of universal reconciliation, and I’ve never felt at home in any organized religion. So I find most of their writing interesting. And I’m not so easily put off by the harsh criticisms in the false teachers –even when they’ve criticized people that I personally know.

    I find some of the teachings to be insightful, even some of the criticisms of false teachers. But I’ve never reached out to them because I’ve seen how Victor treats people who lack discipline or misstep. When I first found their website, they had testimonies of a nephew and the nephew’s (Japanese?) wife. But they were soon taken off the website and kicked off the farm, with a full expose of how they weren’t efficient enough in their Friday preparations for the Sabbath and it was creating frustration for other people. I’m not the most organized person, so I’m pretty sure I would never make it on their farm. So I’ve never dared to reach out.

    • That’s a pretty good wrap up Karen of how I approach PoT too. I think the thing that needs to be understood is that we are all on a journey of discovery and claims of exclusivity are based in pride. It is perfectly possible to “know Jesus” and to love Him and yet to have less than a full lien on the truth. Victor’s mistake is to think that because he has a living relationship with Him, and one revelation that others with alternative takes don’t. This failing I believe is a mixture of pride and psychiatric. I think you are wise to remain where you are and keep asking questions. Thank you so much for commenting here.

    • Hi Bertin . . . Yes, yes, No.
      The love of Christ that you refer to is different for Victor, not missing. I know that YOU cannot see it, but Victor’s way of seeing things and doing things while not normal has a degree of validity. To simplify things for you I will call it an intellectual love, not a feeling/heart love. I believe that this uniqueness is a psychiatric thing. You seek the kind of love that he can never give you. “My way or the by-way!” which is Victor’s style does not sit nicely with your needs – indeed most peoples’ needs! Be careful though because judgmentalism is different from accurate, perceptive and even brutal criticism. You will need to “get over” and “get on” with your healing so that bitterness does not take root. You have good reason to be bitter, I know but one man’s foibles do not justify anothers’ failure. Focus on teh Solution and lean on His Helper so that you too do not err. Thank you for commenting here again.

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