I responded to an online Christian motivational piece recently sent to my email which encouraged me to vote in today’s New Zealand elections – a repeating three-year circus that entertains and determines which of the ‘talking heads’ will be in our faces for the next three years. I encouraged the writer to do some biblical research, called his worship of democracy what it was (shallow thinking & idolatry) and got a defensive response, “Bugger off thank you anyway. We’ll have to agree to disagree!” Here it is the exchange FYI.
Casting a Christian Vote
1 Timothy 2:1-4 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (NKJV).
This Saturday here in New Zealand we go to the Polling Booths to decide our Government for the next three years. Wherever you live, PLEASE PRAY for New Zealand this Saturday. Thank you!
This [redacted] is not about Party Politics, or my personal views, as passionate as they may be! This is though about Politics. Because Politics is the science and art of government. And that affects us all. The Kingdom of God is inherently political — because it is about ruler-ship, submission, authority, and administration of law and order.
You may say “I’m just not interested, it doesn’t concern me”. Well, it will do when you are restricted in sharing the Gospel with your friends, or get thrown into jail for reading the Bible aloud, when you have a brothel move in next door, when your children and grandchildren’s education and future is decided by the state.
Every political decision will have its impact upon us or our loved ones somewhere along the line. Governments may come and go, but the laws they pass and set in place last longer, and are harder to change.
This is about the responsibility, the right, the privilege we have as Christians, and citizens of a democracy, to vote, and have our say. We must Vote!
This is most importantly about the crucial part we as Christians can play in the democratic process and in the history of future generations. That is first and foremost to PRAY! No Government or laws passed can really change a nation. Ultimately politics offers little change, but genuine change comes through changed hearts, which only occurs as people respond to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Changed hearts change a nation.
What does 1 Timothy 2:1-4 teach us about this important subject?
1. First of all, Pray! V1.
The first responsibility of Christians as we gather together is to pray! To seek His face, to come before Him, in worship, relationship, communion and communication. Prayer is the Church’s first outreach. Prayer is the Church’s powerhouse, it is the Church’s engine room. Without personal and corporate prayer, it’s like having all the plans and systems in place, but no electricity or power to operate them.
God’s people praying can install, remove and change governments. Did you get that?
If we would take less time to criticise, and more time to pray, we would have less to criticise.
2. First Topic Of Prayer Is Government. V2a.
Wow! How many of us regularly pray for the government, local authorities, business leaders, those having national influence? Many of us pray, but do we pray for those in authority first? Derek Prince has some excellent suggested prayers for the government. (Check out your local Christian Bookshop for copies).
3. First Specific Topic of Prayer – Good Government. V2b.
If we are to, “ …lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence … ”, then we need good government. Are you and I praying? Good government lets us get on with our life in peace.
“The Function of Good Government: To create and maintain a situation in which private citizens can lead quiet and peaceable life in all Godliness and honesty. They must maintain law and order, but they must not unduly interfere with the rights of private citizens”. — Derek Prince.
4. Good Government Is God’s Will. V3.
Why are we to pray for Good government? Because it is God’s will. Sooner or later we must settle some issues about the will of God:
• Is sickness the will of God? Or is health the will of God?
• Is poverty the will of God? Or is prosperity the will of God?
• Is bad Government the will of God? Or is good Government God’s will?
The “This” in V3 refers to good government.
5. God’s Will Is For All To Be Saved. V4.
Good government, and God’s will, is that the Gospel message be freely preached, that men and women be saved from sin. Why does God want quietness and order through good government? A very practical reason. Because He desires all will come to know the truth. Under what circumstances is it easier to bring the truth to all men? Under good government.
God wants the Gospel preached to every nation, to every person. Good government makes that task easier. Good government enables the preaching of the Gospel. Because of a favourable environment.
We can make a difference, by praying, and thoughtfully, casting values based votes. We must seek God’s face and ask Him to heal our land. We must pray for good government, godly politicians, and peace in the land. We must place principle ahead of party and morals ahead of materialism. Our land needs healing. We can do something about it. Let’s pray. And vote!
2 Chronicles 7:14 If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. (NKJV).
Sorry [name redacted] I think you are deceived. You may vote as it is your choice to do so in NZ. A vote though is a prayer. I advise Christians to NOT vote but instead pray and live for Him, His way and outside of the system you appear to trust in. Democracy has nothing to offer a genuine Christian – it is a mechanism for man to achieve what man wants not a system devised or recommended by the Lord to do things His way. I have blogged about this recently and preached against the evil of democracy for years. Respectfully I think you need to dig deeper. First find an example of democracy that gains God’s blessing – there is none, from Adam and Eve’s vote through the history of the OT until Jesus’ democratic suffering on the cross from the people who voted His crucifixion. The closest you can get to it is in Acts when the Apostles acted in unison, but this was actually because they were all obedient to the Holy Spirit’s leading, not because they voted; Secondly find the instructions where the Lord, or Jesus teaches that democracy is His ways – there are none; Thirdly look around you in the world and smell the roses. The political systems of the last century and a half are those that were killed off and have only risen their ugly head as predicted a second time where we now live. No, [name redacted] I don’t think you fully understand the nature of this idolatry, sorry. My grandfather fought in wars in the name of democracy. Most vets who matured came to regret their actions, as they came to see how they were manipulated in various ways by TPTB at the time. Democracy is the perfect political system for consolidation of power and wealth – look around you and you can see it outworking day by day. God’s way is much simpler and clearly espoused in scripture. It’s not politically correct but it is His plan, not what you will be participating in today. I’m short because it is late, not because I want to be rude. Thank you for listening.
Hi Dennis,Many thanks for your message, I have read it through.The tenor of the [article] , was that we pray; for the leaders and those who ‘govern’ us! That is the clear instruction from Scripture.I believe we need to do as the Scripture says, “to render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s“. (Matthew 22:21). It is a privilege (which many don’t have) to vote, and pray.There will never be the perfect system of government on earth, apart from His Sovereign reign during the millennia. The democracy we in NZ have, is not perfect by any means, but, it is far better than other so-called democracy’s around the world, and that is something to be thankful for.My father also fought in WW2, and felt it his duty and his right, and his honour to defend the democracy we enjoy. I disagree, most vets I speak to feel it was their duty, and something they had to do, something they wanted to do, but they don’t feel regret. Especially as the allies won against the tyranny of Hitler’s regime.It is a very scary thought to think of a world if Hitler had not been opposed and defeated.I believe it is our privilege and responsibility to vote and pray! Ultimately God raises up governments and puts them down, in response to the voting of the people and the prayers of the saints.I have been encouraging people to vote! I believe it is a privilege and responsibility we have to cast a values based vote, and as we do so we pray for the Lord to oversee the establishment of good government.If we have not voted we have no right to even raise our voice to oppose or criticise the government or their policies.Having said all that, I appreciate your position, and I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue.Thanks again for your message,Blessings,[name redacted]
This man doesn’t understand my position at all and totally misses the point. He is a shallow thinker; uses logical fallacies and has done no biblical research as I invited him to do. He has a closed mind; fixed views; is defensive and doesn’t want to engage. Short of a miracle occurring, it would be a waste of time to dialogue further.
Some comments and facts picked out for analysis though:
- He has a closed mind, with no interest in exploring the reasons why I said what I said. Genuine truthseekers attempt to understand things and when we have someone like me that ruffles the waters, we use that experience to ask questions and to dig deeper. He will not have read my blog that I mentioned and he cannot have researched the matters as I suggested. He is essentially then just another “talking head” although I am sure he’s quite a nice guy to boot.
- He says, “The tenor of the [article] , was that we pray; for the leaders and those who ‘govern’ us!” Yes, but the point of his post was two-pronged triggered by the NZ elections – it was to pray AND to vote. Mine was that participating in the democratic process endorsed ungodliness. Pray and DON’T vote.
- Considering it a “privilege and responsibility” to participate in an ungodly process shows delusion. Would he participate in a homosexual orgy because it is now legal to do so?
- The concept that the Lord raises governments up and moves them aside is irrelevant; a distraction akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I encourage people to get OFF the Titanic. Of course the Lord can achieve what He wants in a fallen world with fallible people. The point is that there are better options.
- That we can vote is a repeating mantra from the idolaters like the majority of the Western world who have fallen under the spell of democracy. “It is a privilege (which many don’t have) to vote, and pray.” from a Christian commentator is a sign of a deluded man. Sure there are many shallow thinkers who have fallen for it, but I will continue to speak the truth until someone can show me where the Lord endorses, teaches and has undone His firm condemnation of man seeking to determine man’s destiny.
- “There will never be the perfect system of government on earth, apart from His Sovereign reign during the millennia. The democracy we in NZ have, is not perfect by any means, but, it is far better than other so-called democracy’s around the world, and that is something to be thankful for.” The idea that we should be thankful for what we have was immortalised in Churchill’s plagiarism where he is now quoted as saying that democracy is the worst form of government except all the rest. This is a message of failure from the pits of hell – typical of the Allies political leader – a man whom did the bidding of his evil masters, and hoodwinked the generation of his time and obviously still today.
- “My father also fought in WW2, and felt it his duty and his right, and his honour to defend the democracy we enjoy.” That’s right – enjoying something not right according to God is the exact same thing that brings pain & regret, first to Him, then eventually to us. Shallowness seen here in all its ‘glory’ [sarcasm];
“… most vets I speak to feel it was their duty, and something they had to do, something they wanted to do, but they don’t feel regret.” Most vets indeed do defend their past actions. Do you see people going around publicly saying, “I have doubts!” or “I see things differently now that [enter good reason for pause here]”. No, what I said was that as they MATURE they see things differently. When they mature and see the deceptions they were subject to; the wanton human misery and waste, the thinking ones who mature come to question, like I do what they were involved in;
“Especially as the allies won against the tyranny of Hitler’s regime.” and “It is a very scary thought to think of a world if Hitler had not been opposed and defeated.” Oh dear! This shallow approach to history shows that this commentator is deluded with a lot to learn. He’ll be a Holocaust believer for sure. He’s clearly a newbie when it comes to sifting through the MSM messages for truth;
- “If we have not voted we have no right to even raise our voice to oppose or criticise the government or their policies.” So using this man’s logic then, if he hasn’t participated in a homosexual orgy then he hasn’t the right to determine whether it is appropriate for him and his family. OMG! The logic lacks somewhat, eh wot?
The concept of democracy is accursed. It is neither endorsed nor are there any examples of blessing resulting from democratic forms of government in scripture. Indeed the opposite is the case, as from the get-go Adam and Eve conspired (voted) to do things their own way. Mankind continued its defiance for many generations through conspiring to achieve control. In the last hundred or so years democracy has risen again as a part of the ‘beast’ that mankind currently worships – the political-financial juggernaut that increases and consolidates human power and wealth. Call it what you will – NWO, globalisation, whatever. It’s destiny is an assured implosion. This commentator will likely deal with this all with his shallow thinking saying tut-tut when the rest of the world wakes up to the fact that democracy was a primary enabler of the inevitable fall of the power/money systems.
Thinkers and truthseekers however will be researching alternatives that are described clearly in scripture, and refrain from voting when they “get it”.
He says, “I have been encouraging people to vote!” Then I will put the responsibility for the outcome of this democratic election onto this man and those whom he influences. I have enrolled because that is a legal requirement that doesn’t bother me, but take note that I will not vote and that I trust Him instead.
Christians who pray for the country they live in then vote in democratic elections for a political system contrary to His design and Word, actually totally opposed to the Lord have cognitive dissonance. Because a vote is a prayer, I pray then have no need of a vote.
When this man goes back to scripture and shows me where democracy is endorsed then I’ll change my mind. Until then, I will do what the Lord does, wait until things get so bad that the deluded turn to Him, and in the meantime speak it like it is . . . Truly, the people indeed get the leadership they deserve.